[3.11] Aquarism's Ice Shot [All Content]

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_Nektre_ wrote:
Quick question: How will we generate frenzy charges as deadeye and in league start? With Ice bite? It's not in skill support gems tho.

Also fast and deadly is better than endless munitions? PoB shows FaD grants us more damage, tho AoE and projectile from EM seems like hard to pass by.

BTW it just feels weird when u go in "league starter" build and one of first sentences is about using legacy items BUT has also budget version.

Cheers!


Yes we use icebite early on to generate frenzy charges.

We will be using LMP/GMP for clearing until we can afford death opus and dying sun, the choice between FaD and EM comes with the uber lab, at that point you can choose EM if you don't have these two uniques yet, otherwise FnD will be better with the 15% increased attack speed. At the end of the day, it is personal preference.

And thank you for pointing it out, after reading the start it does sound a bit off, it has now been removed.

edit: you can find icebite mentioed in the leveling guide
My Ice Shot Guide: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2660684

Standard Crafting Service: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2623978
Last edited by Aquarism on Dec 12, 2019, 3:48:12 PM
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Aquarism wrote:
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_Nektre_ wrote:
Quick question: How will we generate frenzy charges as deadeye and in league start? With Ice bite? It's not in skill support gems tho.

Also fast and deadly is better than endless munitions? PoB shows FaD grants us more damage, tho AoE and projectile from EM seems like hard to pass by.

BTW it just feels weird when u go in "league starter" build and one of first sentences is about using legacy items BUT has also budget version.

Cheers!


Yes we use icebite early on to generate frenzy charges.

We will be using LMP/GMP for clearing until we can afford death opus and dying sun, the choice between FaD and EM comes with the uber lab, at that point you can choose EM if you don't have these two uniques yet, otherwise FnD will be better with the 15% increased attack speed. At the end of the day, it is personal preference.

And thank you for pointing it out, after reading the start it does sound a bit off, it has now been removed.

edit: you can find icebite mentioed in the leveling guide


Nice, Ty for answers.

Probably gonna start with this one if nothing else will make me interested. Also hoping that we won't lack single target damage, since those metamorph bosses looks like "bullet sponges".
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_Nektre_ wrote:


Nice, Ty for answers.

Probably gonna start with this one if nothing else will make me interested. Also hoping that we won't lack single target damage, since those metamorph bosses looks like "bullet sponges".


I'm still waiting for the new gems to be added into POB, based on the numbers given I highly suspect barrage support will be insanely strong for single target.

come check in tomorrow or the day after for an updated POB.
My Ice Shot Guide: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2660684

Standard Crafting Service: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2623978
Greater projectiles don't stand in the PoB is it normal for ice shot?
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Djohne wrote:
Greater projectiles don't stand in the PoB is it normal for ice shot?


Refer to levelling guide gem section. We use LMP and GMP during levelling, swap them out for another support when you have death opus and dying sun
My Ice Shot Guide: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2660684

Standard Crafting Service: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2623978
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Aquarism wrote:
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Djohne wrote:
Greater projectiles don't stand in the PoB is it normal for ice shot?


Refer to levelling guide gem section. We use LMP and GMP during levelling, swap them out for another support when you have death opus and dying sun


Sorry for the noob question aqua but death opus and dying sun are those Jewels?
And iff so can you tell me where i can get those?
thank alot this is my first build so i'm kinda noob, anyway thanks for fast response!
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Djohne wrote:
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Aquarism wrote:
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Djohne wrote:
Greater projectiles don't stand in the PoB is it normal for ice shot?


Refer to levelling guide gem section. We use LMP and GMP during levelling, swap them out for another support when you have death opus and dying sun


Sorry for the noob question aqua but death opus and dying sun are those Jewels?
And iff so can you tell me where i can get those?
thank alot this is my first build so i'm kinda noob, anyway thanks for fast response!


They are bow and flask respectively, which each adds 2 projectiles to our attack. Death opus is upgraded using a prophecy. Dying sun drops from shaper.

These two items will be cheaper later in the league, but can get expensive seeing this is a bow league.

You can add me to friend list and pm me in game whenever I’m online. I will be busy for the next few days though.
My Ice Shot Guide: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2660684

Standard Crafting Service: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2623978
Last edited by Aquarism on Dec 12, 2019, 7:03:43 PM
One thing to note is that most of those uniques he listed for budget are going to be stupidly expensive this league. Those are likely going to be your chase items so don't build around getting them very easily.

Honestly I don't get his budget listing at all because his budget listing is probably going to cost upwards of 50 exalts in the league. Get rid of the taming, pandemonius, watcher eye, and opus for a budget version because none of those are budget especially in the new league where shaper/elder/uber elder are much harder to get. I expect lioneye's to also be over 5 exalt easy as well so plan on that being very costly to get.

Instead for most people plan on using GMP in the build. Honestly, for gems I think Ice Shot, GMP, Elemental damage with attacks, Cold Pen, cold damage and inspiration in that order of importance. With the buffed cold resist cold pen is going to be a lot more important, also the woke cold pen and cold damage gems are going to be huge. Obviously once you get the opus and sun you can drop GMP for hyperthermia but honestly with the woke GMP or arrow nova I think opus might not be the way to go, it will be close. On bosses you would swap hyperthermia out for barrage if you have the opus if not probably added cold or possibly GMP but I think the extra GMP projectiles will scale barrage better than added cold(as long as you don't have the woke version).



I would also recommend endless munitions over fast and deadly. On paper fast and deadly has better dps but in practice it is worse for both single target and clear. The extra arrow is much better for clear and massively better than the attack speed on single target with the new barrage support.
Last edited by Maethorr on Dec 13, 2019, 1:06:40 AM
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Maethorr wrote:
One thing to note is that most of those uniques he listed for budget are going to be stupidly expensive this league. Those are likely going to be your chase items so don't build around getting them very easily.

Honestly I don't get his budget listing at all because his budget listing is probably going to cost upwards of 50 exalts in the league. Get rid of the taming, pandemonius, watcher eye, and opus for a budget version because none of those are budget especially in the new league where shaper/elder/uber elder are much harder to get. I expect lioneye's to also be over 5 exalt easy as well so plan on that being very costly to get.

Instead for most people plan on using GMP in the build. Honestly, for gems I think Ice Shot, GMP, Elemental damage with attacks, Cold Pen, cold damage and inspiration in that order of importance. With the buffed cold resist cold pen is going to be a lot more important, also the woke cold pen and cold damage gems are going to be huge. Obviously once you get the opus and sun you can drop GMP for hyperthermia but honestly with the woke GMP or arrow nova I think opus might not be the way to go, it will be close. On bosses you would swap hyperthermia out for barrage if you have the opus if not probably added cold or possibly GMP but I think the extra GMP projectiles will scale barrage better than added cold(as long as you don't have the woke version).



I would also recommend endless munitions over fast and deadly. On paper fast and deadly has better dps but in practice it is worse for both single target and clear. The extra arrow is much better for clear and massively better than the attack speed on single target with the new barrage support.


Hi, thanks for the feedback, really appreciated!

My initial predictions for the total cost of the budget build is about 10 ex taken from blight. This version was also considered budget compared to the min-maxed version, I can see why it is confusing.

Arrow nova interacts with far shot poorly so probably would not use it.

I will push out a new POB with mostly self-crafted or picked up gear to simulate a true budget version in a few hours when the 24hour restriction on POB is lifted.

As for ascendency, I am a bit torn, I will look deeper into it and include it in the POB as well.

Once again thanks for your input.
My Ice Shot Guide: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2660684

Standard Crafting Service: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2623978
Any recommendation if this build is able to convert into a Hardcore variation?
More layers of defenses/life i guess..? or is that not really possible?
Last edited by pandadarren on Dec 13, 2019, 3:13:23 AM

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