Hierophants reworked Nerf or Buff?

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Draegnarrr wrote:

Its a buff, but the loudest whiners won't admit it until you look at their account and see a higher dps heirophant with better stats than the previous league.

It's like arguing with children. I explained the calculations taking into consideration the new +1 totem on shiels and stuff and they only scream NERF ...OH NOOO NERFFF.

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John_Ra wrote:

Its a huge nerf.
Overall.

I wrote it in the nearby thread:
(https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2255081/page/5)

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% dmg sounds laughable trade for 1 totem. Its so laughable, you literally loosing 100% dmg from full totem then get overall +12% dmg instead. Eat this, Hiero! Ah! Happy?! No? We have somth else for you!

Now you can place your all 3 totems in one place. For one time. A nice present to every boss to make sure he\she erase em instantly from one hit. Coooooooooooooool.

And thats not even all news!!

Also if you use +totem gem = you
1. Forced to loose 40% dmg for ALL your totems.
2. Forced to swap any useful gem from your limited links removing more dmg.
Just to make you suffer even more from growing weakness.

And even thats not all!
So on top of that. Cherry!
If you want to use totems on gear - get off your weapon from off hand! Use shield! We all know whats shields are not adding so much dmg as weapons, right?

So play defensive, stay low!
Stay out of endgame, Hiero.
Literally

Go have fun in t4 Beach.
Its your maximum realm now. Betrayal viable.

-NO, you do not lose 100% and gaining 12% damage what are you talking about? L2math
-No, you do not lose 40% damage for ALL your totems. Only the linked ones. So if you have a main setup with 4max totems without the new support you can go to max totems for that AND on top of that have a second setup with the support gem for an additioal 2 totems.
-See Above.. you don't skip any gems for your main setup and keep all your damage.
As for shields not adding enough damage? You can craft some really sick damage shields and now you can have +1 totems on them as well. Those 2 combined > 1 single weapon.

hey lets have this conversation again!

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Lifebloom wrote:

It is HUGE NERF!

why do i have to equip shield instead of weapon for one more totem?
Losing weapon means you are losing DPS.

I just PoBbed your character to switch a caster shield with your void battery you'd lose 2% damage for using a shield + the new node, its a fucking laughable cost you could make it up immediately by dropping life/resists on any other piece of your gear.

And thats on a character thats pretty fucking stacked its just gonna be a straight buff on less developed characters.

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John_Ra wrote:

Its a huge nerf.
Overall.

I wrote it in the nearby thread:
(https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2255081/page/5)

//
% dmg sounds laughable trade for 1 totem. Its so laughable, you literally loosing 100% dmg from full totem then get overall +12% dmg instead. Eat this, Hiero! Ah! Happy?! No? We have somth else for you!

Now you can place your all 3 totems in one place. For one time. A nice present to every boss to make sure he\she erase em instantly from one hit. Coooooooooooooool.

And thats not even all news!!

Also if you use +totem gem = you
1. Forced to loose 40% dmg for ALL your totems.
2. Forced to swap any useful gem from your limited links removing more dmg.
Just to make you suffer even more from growing weakness.

And even thats not all!
So on top of that. Cherry!
If you want to use totems on gear - get off your weapon from off hand! Use shield! We all know whats shields are not adding so much dmg as weapons, right?

So play defensive, stay low!
Stay out of endgame, Hiero.
Literally

Go have fun in t4 Beach.
Its your maximum realm now. Betrayal viable.

I think you should visit doctor and have your brain checked because it doesn't seem to function properly, good luck.

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arknath wrote:

-NO, you do not lose 100% and gaining 12% damage what are you talking about? L2math
-No, you do not lose 40% damage for ALL your totems. Only the linked ones. So if you have a main setup with 4max totems without the new support you can go to max totems for that AND on top of that have a second setup with the support gem for an additioal 2 totems.
-See Above.. you don't skip any gems for your main setup and keep all your damage.
As for shields not adding enough damage? You can craft some really sick damage shields and now you can have +1 totems on them as well. Those 2 combined > 1 single weapon.

1. But I actually don`t see the math here.
2. So you suggesting to use another than main 6L, gear for additional totems?
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4. This 100ex+ craft will be? Yes, we can. Theoretically. Practically 10 players from thousands will be able to have those shields what can be comparable to weapons dmg wise. We know how crafting\chancing here works. And weapons are quite accessible and somewhat cheap. I`m veeery doubting about shields here. Its not their main purpose, so they will roll more defensive stats 99% of the time.

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nipit wrote:

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John_Ra wrote:

Its a huge nerf.
Overall.

I wrote it in the nearby thread:
(https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2255081/page/5)

//
% dmg sounds laughable trade for 1 totem. Its so laughable, you literally loosing 100% dmg from full totem then get overall +12% dmg instead. Eat this, Hiero! Ah! Happy?! No? We have somth else for you!

Now you can place your all 3 totems in one place. For one time. A nice present to every boss to make sure he\she erase em instantly from one hit. Coooooooooooooool.

And thats not even all news!!

Also if you use +totem gem = you
1. Forced to loose 40% dmg for ALL your totems.
2. Forced to swap any useful gem from your limited links removing more dmg.
Just to make you suffer even more from growing weakness.

And even thats not all!
So on top of that. Cherry!
If you want to use totems on gear - get off your weapon from off hand! Use shield! We all know whats shields are not adding so much dmg as weapons, right?

So play defensive, stay low!
Stay out of endgame, Hiero.
Literally

Go have fun in t4 Beach.
Its your maximum realm now. Betrayal viable.

I think you should visit doctor and have your brain checked because it doesn't seem to function properly, good luck.

What a brilliant, well thought, and based, argument!
Also accurately within rules of this forums!
xD

Sure, I`m on my way!

Can I report you first? ;)

How many threads do you need to debate the same stuff? Choose one and stick with it, you'll get a better picture of what people thinks about. No need to duplicate threads.

Let me see if I can reconstruct the math.

I currently have an Arc Totem Hierophant using Soul Mantle and 2x Kikazaru.

So that is 1 + 2 + 1 + 1. (Clue movie reference FTW.) 5 totems.

I then also have a Searing Bond Totem. That makes 6.

With the new change, I can put Multiple Totem Support on my Searing Bond Totem. That would boost the number of totems I have to 7. 4 Arc and 3 Searing Bond. Nicely, I can also place all 3 Searing Bond Totems at once. I also place 2 Arc Totems at a time, which means that I am always placing totems in an 'ideal' way; no overlaps.

Let's assume that the +1 Totem Shield Enchant is the only source of new totems, and it's out of my budget range. (Pretty safe assumptions; I am by comparison to many here a total scrub.)


So, for sake of easy math, let's assume that my DPS was 100 per totem. Before I did 500 DPS. (I also regenerated 6% life per second and 3% mana per second.) Now, I only do 400 DPS, but then I multiple _all_ of this by 1.28. (28% More damage from 7 totems).

400 * 1.28 = 512 DPS. This is a buff of 2.4% to my damage relative to before.

Now, I _could_ put Multiple Totems on my Arc Totem directly. That is a huge loss of DPS per totem, but I _could_ do it. That would give me 6 Arc Totems. (Whereas before I had 5. I gain 2 from the Multiple Totem Support and lose one because of the Ascendancy change.)

So if we assume a 30% loss of DPS from Multiple Totems, and a 35% loss of DPS from a support, and then the gain from the more damage (again assuming a Searing Bond Totem):


600 * 0.7 * 0.65 * 1.28 = 349.44 DPS This is a 30% DPS loss overall from the 3.4 totems. So I probably wouldn't do that, unless I need insane coverage.

But anyway, there is some math for you.

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NemisCassander wrote:

So, for sake of easy math, let's assume that my DPS was 100 per totem. Before I did 500 DPS. (I also regenerated 6% life per second and 3% mana per second.) Now, I only do 400 DPS, but then I multiple _all_ of this by 1.28. (28% More damage from 7 totems).

400 * 1.28 = 512 DPS. This is a buff of 2.4% to my damage relative to before.

Your maths seem right, but I don't understand the quoted part. It's supposed to be 3% more damage per totem, or am I missing something? If not, it's 21% more damage from 7 totems.

400 * 1.21= 484 DPS. This is a debuff of 3.2% to your damage relative to before.