Trade system is TERRIBLE - and not just that

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

So you want to say, that players actually ENJOY PMing 20 AFK sellers tp get 1c crap, spending 20 minutes to buy fucking 20 essences, etc.? Why do you believe that all players are stupid masochists?

ARPG is all about killing enemies, farming loot and leveling up character. Forcing players to spend their precious time on lame trading system is just a spit in their face, and bad product wont make good money, that's what i think.

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kuciol wrote:

No and they shouldnt like it, THATS THE WHOLE POINT. Trading should be there but it shouldnt be the best way to get gear. Thats what GGG wants, thats why they see current situation as failure on their part. They want you to work for your items not buy them. Trading is already to easy, they should make it even more pain in the ass so it would turn out to be "last resort" kind of thing not the first thing you do when you start a new char. Thats what GGG wants but finding a good solution is hard for such gaol. What you think is irrelevant, what important is what GGG wants and they definitely under any circumstances dont want AH because thats the opposite of what they try to do. In short, GGG want trading as painfull as possible to discourage it so you would rather get your own items not currency to get them.

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Deliverme wrote:

Trade has always sucked in POE. It has always been painful and obnoxious on multiple levels...

I dont know what is going on with the API/POE.Trade, but this league while the league itself is AMAZING, Trade is the worst it has ever been.

Please give us an ACTUAL trade tool.

Use dem 100s of millions of tencent bucks, and develop a damn trade tool!

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rzuk892 wrote:

I wish that they would at least add an AH for the maps. The only thing that really pisses me off is having to whisper 10-20 people for a fucking map, because they're all either afk, offline, dnd, in lab, temple or w/e.
Or make the maps drop from bosses or something so we can actually play the game instead of sitting there spamming alt+tab ctr+c, ctr+v.

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NightProwler wrote:

Right now I have an 82, 81, 79, 76 with 40 maps unlocked on atlas. I've played some a lot more than once, so probably nearing 100 maps complete. Zana at Lv 6 solo.

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Bone2flesh wrote:

That's why you don't have good progress. Those characters levels imply very little map play.

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NightProwler wrote:

Edit to point out I'm not looking for progress here. I have maps dropped up to T13 so far. I'm looking for low Tier completion.

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Bone2flesh wrote:

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kuciol wrote:

No and they shouldnt like it, THATS THE WHOLE POINT. Trading should be there but it shouldnt be the best way to get gear. Thats what GGG wants, thats why they see current situation as failure on their part. They want you to work for your items not buy them. Trading is already to easy, they should make it even more pain in the ass so it would turn out to be "last resort" kind of thing not the first thing you do when you start a new char. Thats what GGG wants but finding a good solution is hard for such gaol. What you think is irrelevant, what important is what GGG wants and they definitely under any circumstances dont want AH because thats the opposite of what they try to do. In short, GGG want trading as painfull as possible to discourage it so you would rather get your own items not currency to get them.

I could have no put it better than this myself.

The idea is that trading is not bad if you use it as the additional boost to your character.

I use it to buy generally major pieces of gear and only rarely for every day stuff. I prefer playing the game more and not min maxing all my map runs etc.

The only people who have a problem with the trading system are people who want to use it constantly and play the market. People already do that even now but I am fine with it because they really really need to put a lot of effort into it to work.

I think trading as it is works just fine if you want to play the game more than trade.

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Bone2flesh wrote:

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Defiants wrote:

Yeah, this is fucked, and the only people defending it are the ones who play the game twenty hours a fucking day. Probably the same ones that use scripts and bots to trade.

I have defended the trading system and it's evolution since the game was in it's incipient phase. There was a tremendous improvement along the years and it will continue to improve. Things take time.

Just because you came in at some point and you find it not good does not mean it's not.

To answer your untrue comments I can tell you a work a full time job (40-50 H/week) and also have family responsibilities. I have never used a script or a bot in my life because I prefer actually playing the game to constant fine tuning my trading. You should probably do the same instead of complaining all the time and your QOL will certainly improve.

I have seen the horrors of D3 AH from the moment they implemented it until it killed the game. Because even if they fixed it and it's now a decent game it will never recover from that blow. EVER.

I am 100% opposed to an AH system and I can guarantee you that most players with actual experience in using such systems will be as well.

And AH system also does not fit the POE setting at all. Savage landscape and ruthless environment with no real factions or civilisations (Oriath got reckt) out of nowhere has a centralised trading system in game. It would ruin the atmosphere tremendously and that is more important for a lot of players than catering to your demands.

The idea is simple: if you want to trade you can do it just fine. The website has an integrated trade system you can use. It just needs player to player interaction and availability and so it should be for this kind of setting.