This is why social welfare fails.

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Rexeos wrote:

"This is why social welfare fails."

In Europe there are many social states and in fact it works very good. For example in Denmark (if remember well) citizens pay 70% of their wage to state. Difference in salary is 0.7 - 1.4. So doctor and hamburger guy can buy more or less same stuff and are rising children together and have same quality of services. There are more countries like that where people create country and no vice versa. Last time it was Island who put into jail their representatives from parliament because they put country into debt.

Socialism as thinking/mentality is rather flat and not hierarchic. They have values created from them by them and not exploiting each other and other countries, which is typical for hierarchic model (governments, religions.. cults overall). In that way people are not afraid and can live together, are not ashamed but are trustworthy, and take decision which are good for next generations.

USA type governments (or some type of religion) will most likely never understand what social stuff brings as most people in USA and similar countries lives in "survival" mode with debts and in hierarchic mentality (or fear of loosing some benefits before others in afterlife world...).

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Crackmonster wrote:

I actually just studied this particular topic and wrote a paper on it for some school stuff randomly. In there i found a claim that surprised me about taxes in America.

So i might as well ask directly. Those of you that live in America, how much tax % do you pay?

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Crackmonster wrote:

the most successful welfare states have some of the best statistics in all areas including economics, safety, trust, unemployment, corruption etc. Statistics relating to society as a whole are dominated by welfare states because it's the superior form of government. The united states scores mediocrily for example, despite being the place in the world which probably pulls the most profit from the rest of the world through entertainment and other culture. Despite the rest of the world having to spend enormous resources on helping all the people suffering from the united states killing and attacking as they please immorally and against international law(but no one stops them). Despite all of this, because your shitty primitive stone age systems you cannot even pull your own country up. It's a joke to hear you come here with these shitty arguments. TV in america has taken brainwashing to a whole new level, no one can see clear anymore in the united states it seems because its just one big mud pool. It seems now it has because about extremism, dividing into parts and choosing sides but real results come when you forget about all that bias and listen to the arguments from both sides in order to obtain the optimal solution.

The most developed civilized countries(civilization is culture as opposed to selfish beast mentality) are welfare states. Welfare states that rely on theoretical output such as research, design or lifestyle, as opposed to hard labour like third world countries. I come from one of those countries, and we probably have the best country in the world where i am from because exactly of the welfare state. You have no idea how good we have it or how thought through our society is, how many of the issues you deal with are ironed out. How it's aspects have been developed to mobilize and reinforce the labour force, destroy social injusticies that leaves individuals destroyed an unable to contribute to society and protect all citizens from economic instability also in relation to old age. How much your systems look like primitive stone age systems in comparison. Not only that but proper welfare system only exists in the most societies where human values are the most advanced(this again is a restatement of in the most by definition civilized countries). Welfare states are world leaders in ethics and moral. You have nothing on us, we outclass your systems by a thousand miles.

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Crackmonster wrote:

I actually just studied this particular topic and wrote a paper on it for some school stuff randomly. In there i found a claim that surprised me about taxes in America.

So i might as well ask directly. Those of you that live in America, how much tax % do you pay?

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Crackmonster wrote:

Interesting, thanks. The thing claimed higher taxes in US than i had heard of before and i didn't believe, now with those numbers turns out wasn't true as well.

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Crackmonster wrote:

Ofc.

But you, and each other person, how much do you personally pay?