GGG COMPLETELY fucked up endgame in Abyss...

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DicemanX wrote:

Gating access to high level content behind RNG is the fundamental problem here.

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Miská wrote:

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Orbaal wrote:

Guardians are meant to be tough. Thats fine, no issue here.
The issue is, that once your build is good enough to take them on, the regular mapping content is easy.
Once your build can take on fully buffed Guardians with crazy mods, the regular mapping content is a boring snooze fest.

T15 bosses are laughable at this point.
Fight starts, Boss drops dead immediately and triggers the next phase.
You go through this several times per bossfight, realizing the boss itself does absolutely nothing but dropping dead asap and in the end you get loot (more often than not) not even worth looking at.


Essentially Guardians are scaled in way, that the game turns into supereasy mode once you can kill them. At this point you are down to farm rather boring (read not challenging) content and hope for toptier maps to drop, so you can challenge your build once in a while.
Or you dont care about challenge at all, run your shaped maps til your eyes are bleeding and you dont even know where to put your currency.

Im not complaining about map drops. Working out good enough this league and Id say drops are fine, which is obviously my opinion based on my experiences this league.
But I kinda do complain about the difficulty scaling. It feels weird to me right now.

Are you seriously asking for an ARPG game to be challenging at every gear level for the same boss? This is exactly what an ARPG does, and PoE does it well. Gear is supposed to blow everything out of the water at some point, with enough investment.

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DicemanX wrote:

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adghar wrote:

Grinding Gear Games makes Games about Grinding.

PoE should be about grinding for rewards, not grinding to access content.

Gating access to high level content behind RNG is the fundamental problem here.

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adghar wrote:

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DicemanX wrote:

Gating access to high level content behind RNG is the fundamental problem here.

Trade is Chris Wilson's answer to RNG. If you aren't willing to trade, you'll have to work on convincing Chris to rethink one of his core design pillars.

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DicemanX wrote:

PoE should be about grinding for rewards, not grinding to access content.

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Chris wrote:

Path of Exile is still designed and intended to be multiplayer with partying and trading.

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Orbaal wrote:

No you got me wrong. Probably my English is just shit, since Im not a native speaker...

My point is, that there is a massive gap between T15 and T16.
Your goal as a player is to bridge that gap. Once you did it, the game is boring.
Feels weird to me.

Might be wrong here. But I think the gap is just too huge.
If it wasnt as huge, T15 bosses wouldnt be as laughable as they are right now.


Im not smart enough to come up with a solution and I wont pretend I was.
Just saying, that I dont like the current scaling.
Thats it.

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DicemanX wrote:

PoE should be about grinding for rewards, not grinding to access content.

Gating access to high level content behind RNG is the fundamental problem here.

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Miská wrote:

I'm not a big fan of t16 bosses as it is. Because it's not even challenging if you pick the right skill. And unfair if you pick the wrong one. Aslong as bosses are irrelevant lootwise and reward you as much as a rare does(Wich instantly vaporizes) I couldn't care less honestly.

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adghar wrote:

Regardless of what we players feel,

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1823776

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Chris wrote:

Path of Exile is still designed and intended to be multiplayer with partying and trading.

emphasis mine.

You may need to give additional information beyond "should" to convince Path of Exile game designers otherwise.

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Constraint wrote:

The end-game in PoE so RNG as of now. It's so stupid. At least as the league progresses, make maps drop more often. I have 3 chars around level 90 and I had to buy almost all of the maps if I wanted to do a T8+ to fill the atlas. How can there be a 'War for Atlas' when you spend most of the time buying maps from other players. It's more like 'Trade for Atlas'. Zana takes an insane grind to finish so getting high tier maps in a temp league is impossible for most players as well. My Zana is still level 6 and I have done every map and daily so far. It's just sad how the end-game, which is all about maps and mapping is gated by RNG. If you're not lucky, good luck progressing into the end-game. I don't understand what is so wrong with wanting to map, and reach 100. Players still can die, so why does GGG gate people form not being able to do end-game content? It reminds me of the guy who couldn't find the last uber trial in SSF and he was almost level 100.