Im sorry but poe trading sux big time!

It's not about seeing other players. It's about storage. They're relying on players buying storage. If trading was easy, people would only need to save currency in order to have what ever items they might want. You wouldn't need storage unless you wanted to run a shop. That's not going to make them enough money to keep the servers running AND it makes for a much less engaging game.

Trading has to suck or not be part of the game at all.

Unless you have a better idea... all this has been said before.

Why do I spent so much time on trade pages? who doesn't? after 5-10 levels you would normally want to get some upgrades on all slots. Then when you started focus on your main build you would search for best candidates for each slot, sometimes after obtaining a really nice gear you would need to re-shuffle lots of slots with new set of optimized gears. So browsing on trading pages is the big part of my game play.

GGG's stand on trading isn't helping us at all to alleviate our agony, if I see a piece that I am interested but can not afford at the moment I am OK with that so I can go back to farming till I make enough. But no, the trading system now is like this: I see gears/item I like, I whisper, no respond, next one, same thing, and next...till you realize they are most likely price fishers to trick players to post same items for lower value so they can scoop them up for higher profit.

Another scenario is I see a good piece I like but no price on it, so I started whisper with I-Think-Fair-Price, I still get no respond or they just conveniently AFK whole day! most of them just greedy scumbags who only respond to unwary players who is overpaying grossly.

Third scenario is they responded, but can not trade right now because (choose one: labbing; shapering; fapping; in a big farming party; rotationing, etc).

Now this one is the worst of them all, I am talking about trickery traders. They just simply put shitty items to replace the expensive items you want. Or they will just pull off a big gamble at your cost, what I mean is they would modify the item right b4 the trading with you with annul/ex/vaal, if the gamble came out good, the item will worth 10+ times previous value, if not its very likely you will accept the trade because its a very subtle change yet item's value ruined.

How can it be better? well, I am an advocate for big auction house like WoW. Just let free market decides item value, its faster and its fairer. GGG can make good money out of it too, they can add this instant-trade tab, which holds 10x10 space, items put here must have a price and trading is instant, currency will be deposited onto that tab.

both World of Warcraft and Guild Wars 2 have good trading systems

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whitewolf67 wrote:

both World of Warcraft and Guild Wars 2 have good trading systems

Different games though.

The trade manifesto was a gigantic pile of BS.

This entire game is clearly designed around trade. You can't reliably explore builds without trade. You can't do a lot of crafting without trade. Progression in this game feels bad without trade. You can't argue that drops would need to be more rare or anything like that when the game is already clearly designed in a way that functions better when you participate in trade. Many of their popular streamers progress in their game participating in some degree of trade.

If they check their data, the people that stick around in a league the longest likely participate in some degree of trade. Solo self-found is not a reasonable response. We don't want to play solo self-found. We want to be able to explore builds and play around with all the things the game has to offer. The problem is many of us simply never will as long as they hold their own game back by making trade inaccessible and annoying.

A lot of players that don't participate in trade currently would happily do so if a reasonable trade system existed. I don't participate in trade in this game because its trade system is hot garbage, not because I'm anti-trade. I don't want to have to go to third party sites or their limited trade site. I don't want to have to message dozens of people to acquire items or currency. Everything about this game begs for some kind of simple and direct trade system, yet their paranoia and misguided attitude about trade accessibility will continue to hold the game back until they pull their heads out of the abyss and do what should have been done already.

We don't need an auction house, but expand on your existing systems. Allow people to add buyouts to items in their premium stash tabs and give us some ability to search for them and buy them. Let us exchange currency through some kind of currency exchange UI. You could start out with a fairly strict limit on how many non-face to face trades you could do per day for items with less restrictions on currency trading. That way you could see how it went and see what issues came up. I'd even settle for having to go to your website if I could just buy items/exchange currency directly instead of it just being an index. You could add a captcha or something if people were buying too many things or too quickly.

Again, you already have data proving to you that people who participate in trade get a lot more out of this game than those that don't. Stop holding your own game back by making trade a garbage experience that many will simply refuse to participate in until you add a modern trade system. If this games trade system didn't suck, a lot more people would stick around longer. It's a huge issue that the devs continue to try to avoid.

Also, since someone brought up the idea that trade has to suck so that people need more storage space... I don't think that's true at all. Look at the stash space of people who participate in trade. Many of them have a lot and fill it up still. We'd also have more people buying premium stash space to participate in trade if there was some way to add buyouts to items in your premium stash tabs. Also, if trade was more accessible and you increased your number of players staying around longer now that they can get more out of the game, you also increase the likelihood that they'll decide they want to buy something from the shop since they're now playing the game more.

Ohh look its this thread again , and once again nothing new is being said. You can go to any other game out there and just farm currency and AH your way to gear , this old school style of trading is part of what makes PoE a great experience . What would you guys have done if you had played back in the D2 days of having to create a lobby and try to sell your shit that way lol . You can either overpay in trade chat or you can go to https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Abyss right here where you are literally complaining and make trades , you had time to come bitch on the forums you have time to click trade above you and make trades.

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Saevan wrote:

In EQ/EQ2 the selling of your stuff from inside your house (hideout) lead to a thriving industry in decorations and collectibles, and even decorating contests.

A simple solution to pretty much every problem raised with off-line sales is to have in hideout NPC vendors linked to your trading tabs. Apparently GGG prefers to ignore this source of MTX income in favour of the 'working as intended' crap they have today.

This!

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You can go to any other game out there and just farm currency and AH your way to gear

... and PoE is so much better than those games because the players with the best gear aren't all trading, right? Oh wait... nope, most of the people trying out more builds, actually getting the gear they want or doing a lot of crafting... all of those people are trading. The people getting through their atlas the fastest? Yup, they're trading too.

And no, trading in person isn't some hardcore pro version of trade that all other games should aspire to. It is not a superior form of trade, it is inferior and outdated. Games with better trade UIs have that kind of trade as well, it serves some purpose even in games with a useful trade UI, but having that limited form of trade exclusively is not some superior way of doing things. It may make some people feel special because not as many people are willing to deal with it, so they get ahead and feel like a pro PoE player, but that's not really a compelling reason to leave it in a garbage state.

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What would you guys have done if you had played back in the D2 days

I did play D2 when it was current. I didn't trade in that game either outside of with my friends. What point is it that you're trying to make? If D2 had had a useful trade UI I might have gotten into trade during the D2 days but I've never been interested in using third party sites (which is actually where a lot of D2 trading was done) or trade chat. D2 was also a scammers paradise, not exactly something you should point to as a great example of why exclusive in-person trading is a good thing.

In D2 there wasn't nearly as much you missed out on if you didn't trade compared to PoE. We missed out on the best runewords probably if we didn't trade (or bot, bots were a lot more commonplace in D2 when it was current since Blizzard didn't ban people as much back then), but most of the uniques weren't as spec defining as they are in this game. There were some fancy items that gave you some skill or aura, but most items were stat sticks.

There's a lot more items in this game and a much more complex and involved crafting system. D2 also did not have an atlas. D2 also was made a long time ago. We didn't expect a better system in a game made when 800x600 was its best resolution. Now we've played games with better systems and understand that there's a much better way of doing things.

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You can either overpay in trade chat or you can go to https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Abyss right here where you are literally complaining and make trades , you had time to come bitch on the forums you have time to click trade above you and make trades.

No cupcake, what we'll do instead is let the developers know we don't like the status quo and ask for changes that we may never get. It's called feedback. There are a lot of people who play this game who would trade if we had a decent trading system but don't because we do not. Those players likely don't stick around as long when a new patch hits. Every time I come back to see what's changed I'm hoping they've done something meaningful with trade, but they have not yet.

Right now we have a lot of people playing in that category because a new patch is out. The people who aren't willing to put up with a crap trade system likely will be some of the first ones to stop playing the league because you can't get the most out of this game without it. A developer should be interested in that concept and want to come up with a solution.

Also, if anyone could actually go to that website and "click trade above you and make trades" people wouldn't be complaining as much. Let people set buyouts and buy directly and yea, I'd be happy to use that site. That's not how that website works. You can't "make trades" on it. It's an index, not a website where you can directly trade.

im not going to quote another one of your walls , refer to the original part where i said this has all been said before you are just typing paragraphs to yourself.

Any easy function AH kills the spirit of the game and one of the devs two paths of monetizing the game MTX and stash tabs.

The game has never pretended to have what casual players think of as easy trading . You can find that in all the other watered down games that give no real choice to character customization ( see D3 and most games today with no real player choice) this games trading economy is an important part of the game and any simple function AH would kill that its literally been explained in depth hundreds of times before on these forums. Probably every two weeks since the game first launched into open beta though back then there was no poe.trade was good old trade channels and forum shops , by those standards today's trade is easy , and it is easy , takes no time to find exactly what you want.

Its absurdly easy to use the trade function and now you have no reason to go to a third party web site. Im sure you have much more bloviating on the topic to attend to but its all been said before.

Regarding essentials items for your build & trading :

Step 1 : Play the game until you can afford the item(s) you need
Step 2 : Whisper dudes through poe.trade. If no responses / Too many 'sry mate, sold", then go back to mapping for 30min and repeat Step 1 until you get what you want.
Step 3 : ??
Step 4 : Actually enjoy the game & your new item ;)