ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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DalaiLama wrote:
The US military has been on economic life support ever since Rumsfeld started hacking away at their budgets. ...

Not sure whose interests the US military is serving in the last ~20 years, but these interests specialized it into an anti-insurgency force, at the expense of conventional capabilities. Anti-insurgency & police work is ultimately a waste of time, money and lives.

A pack of sandal-wearing AK47-totting sheep herders in Afghanistan can keep a high-tech US base occupied indefinitely and bleed millions of dollars / day, while their expenses are practically null. Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya.. achived absolutely nothing tangible and can all be considered as lost. Unless the aim was de-stabilizing the regions, then you can call them a win.

If the mil should be saving money, then the first thing to do would be abandoning Afghanistan. But you are stuck there for decades more, because of "sunken cost" fallacy and because no politician wants to be the one calling it quits and cutting the losses.

Also, Russia & China have a tactical edge on the US, because they don't play the role of "global police". They just police their immediate neighbourhood and focus their tech into countering US capabilities (eg. US carrier groups vs anti-ship missiles - the latter are several oreders of magnitude cheaper).
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So is Trump gonna toss NATO's anchor away over a pastor? Turkey houses a lot our missile defenses against Russia/China with like 10 THAAD stations not to mention offensive capability in like 15 bases. Has been our strong ally since at least Korean war which they joined us in. This is the problem with Trump being an ideolog he can't think strategically. Yes Turkey has engaged in a bit of hostage diplomacy with us and EU but lets not throw baby our with bathwater. We need Turkey more than they need us.

He should just stick to lowering taxes and concentrate on eliminating Obamacare and leave high level FP to Pompoe/Bolton IMO.
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Last edited by Aim_Deep on Aug 15, 2018, 10:26:16 AM
Trump 2020

MAGA

KEEP AMERICA GREAT
anything is everything
Last edited by Manocean on Aug 15, 2018, 6:41:42 PM
given alternatives have to agree. I'll never vote democrat aka socialist. But Trump is pretty bad.

Guess we are relegated to least worst in these times.

Thats a function of big gov. More gov does worse it gets. It's the only industry besides mafia that get something under threat so they have no incentive to satisfy people

essentially all voting is if we want genovese or gambino crime family leading us.

Ask democrats if they were disappointed by Obama never prosecuting abusive lenders for cheating and defrauding ordinary homeowners or never bailing out main street or “If Americans like their doctor, they will keep their doctor" or more drone stikes than Bush or giving BP a free pass and rounding up environmentalists in interment camps in the Dakotas. List goes on.


Real freedom is found in mercantilism good read is Hans Herman Hoppe's (triple H's lol) "Democracy - God that failed"
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Last edited by Aim_Deep on Aug 16, 2018, 1:40:49 AM
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DalaiLama wrote:
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faerwin wrote:
Trump has close to no involvement with the military other than wanting to spend more on it.


You are correct that for the most part Trump is hands off on the US military. It isn't his area of expertise, and so long as he trusts the right advisors, he will make far better decisions in this area.

The US military has been on economic life support ever since Rumsfeld started hacking away at their budgets. We went from being able to handle 2 major theater wars and a small theater war to barely being able to handle a small theater war. The plan was intentional and over multiple administrations capability was allowed to wither. The idea was that the US needed to become a smaller more nimble reactive force.

Unfortunately, that meant the US became a toothless cowering dog in the eyes of China, Russia and many of our adversaries. Trump's goal isn't to get the US military into combat again. His goal is to rebuild their capability to do so wherever needed, so that we can avoid combat.

"Peace through Strength" works. When US leaders see that strength as some kind of economic leverage tool is when problems and violence occur. Some of this is the inconsistency brought about every time we change presidents. The US Senate should be a stabilizing force, but it isn't. Unfortunately, the US Senate is filled with far too many people who don't think international issues are worth more than an occasional glance.

The US shouldn't have to be the world's policeman. Regional coalitions should be handling the issues in their own backyards. Until such time as other nations step up to the plate and remain vigilant, the US will continue to spend far more on its military than we should have to.





Peace through strength does not work. What peace? We've been in non stop war since WW2 and lost most or maybe all of them. The problem with that BS maxim is when you have a hammer thats the tool you tend to use. Then you have regulatory capture/corruption so what ends up happening is opposite of peace. You have military industrial complex funding think tanks who push for war. You have generals and admirals who know if they tow pro war lines they are assured a board position at said defense contractors post retirement, and so on and so forth creating a culture of warfare. There is a reason founders didnt even want a standing army and Gen/president Eisenhower said wee needed to tone down military because "strength makes war." Or like Ronald Regan said subsidize something (war) get more of it.

Of course I dont advocate unilateral disarmament in this day and age of WMDs. Just stating it's a BS phrase. We live in a more dangerous world than ever because most people believe it though.

America should be taking lead on agreeing to eliminate all WMD's world wide. But there is no profit in that so it's not done.

Instead what's happening is up-arming worldwide and next world war will make WW2 look like a school yard fight.
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Last edited by Aim_Deep on Aug 16, 2018, 12:51:31 PM
Peace is a threat. A strong peace is a strong threat — that is, one that is credible and carries immense force behind it if triggered. In that sense, peace isn't truly about strength, but about the appearance of strength — the strength one imagines would be wielded if one were to caught violating the law. Real, illusion — doesn't matter, so long as the enemy's belief in your strength is held with conviction.

But there's another component: the belief of fairness and civility if the law is not broken. The brute who cannot discriminate between those who deserve violence and those who do not, and as a consequence lashes out at everyone indiscriminately, is quickly subdued by force, if possible; if not possible, he is best avoided, so as to escape his gaze, until you have a good opportunity to turn the tide.

If anything the people of Iraq and Afghanistan are not in accordance with any kind of pax americana because they've seen that the United States military is this brute. The military-industrial complex behind the US government desires the land for economic reasons; all the various rationalizations for war are but hollow pretenses. It's obvious we carry a big stick, but they've seen that we do not speak softly.
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Last edited by ScrotieMcB on Aug 16, 2018, 4:59:05 PM
We forgot basics. Like dont attack unless attacked in Iraq and Libya so we lost morality and just war theory. Afghanistan is a little different story but morphed into a cultural experiment (making them mom and dad's just like us) bound to fail. Not to mention Afghanistan is empires graveyards. UK, Russia and eventually USA GTFO. Shoulda been a SF operation from the get go which is what killed Osama anyway.

But personally I woulda never given Osama cause. Read Imperial Hubris for more info. You know I like experts - this guy studied Osama 20 years at CIA.

Now, with these colossal mistakes we have 10s of thousands of osama's - but maybe that is intention by MIC. Perpetual war = perpetual profits.
Git R Dun!
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Manocean wrote:
Trump 2020

MAGA

KEEP AMERICA GREAT


While Rasmussen probably has a pro-Trump bias, yesterday they reported that Trump has a 36% approval rating among black voters. If that is even remotely true, Trump will win 2020 in a landslide.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
I'm surprised he hasn't done his infrastructure project. At this point, since money/deficit doesnt seem to matter since we are still running a trillion clip in good times - why not? He'd have 90% black vote like republicans used to have.
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