If EA bought GGG

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Completed 16 Challenges鬼殺し wrote:
Although I'll ask you this, since I've recently been dabbling in other success story f2p-wise: would you be less discontent with GGG's model if they were less pushy about the mtxes but had a much more flexible definition of p2w?

I’m a big fan of GGG and their monetisation strategy is a huge part of why; it wasn’t my intention to take aim at that. At least, not all of it. When I’d give GGG a 9/10 rating (and I would!) the boxes would be the lost mark which deprives them of a perfect score.

My negativity towards GGG has put me at odds with the general consensus in the thread. I think that’s down to most people having a broader focus. The way I saw it, Scary Dinosaur Lady™ created a thread specifically about boxes in games. My statements were qualified by that context.

I have no issue with most “blah blah thanks for the support” messages in chat, the announcements about supporter packs, and so on. I don’t consider GGG to be overly pushy - if another studio mentioned MTX with the same frequency I’d feel differently, but that hypothetical studio doesn’t post an announcement every weekday. It doesn’t have excellent community managers, a studio head with an active Reddit account, or a technical director who chats on community podcasts.

There is, however, a shady undertone to Mystery Boxes and the messages about them. No game developer encourages me to gamble with the regularity of GGG. I find it disturbing.
The system works, but perhaps too opaquely.
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Completed 32 ChallengesSarno wrote:
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Completed 16 Challenges鬼殺し wrote:
Although I'll ask you this, since I've recently been dabbling in other success story f2p-wise: would you be less discontent with GGG's model if they were less pushy about the mtxes but had a much more flexible definition of p2w?

I’m a big fan of GGG and their monetisation strategy is a huge part of why; it wasn’t my intention to take aim at that. At least, not all of it. When I’d give GGG a 9/10 rating (and I would!) the boxes would be the lost mark which deprives them of a perfect score.

My negativity towards GGG has put me at odds with the general consensus in the thread. I think that’s down to most people having a broader focus. The way I saw it, Scary Dinosaur Lady™ created a thread specifically about boxes in games. My statements were qualified by that context.

I have no issue with most “blah blah thanks for the support” messages in chat, the announcements about supporter packs, and so on. I don’t consider GGG to be overly pushy - if another studio mentioned MTX with the same frequency I’d feel differently, but that hypothetical studio doesn’t post an announcement every weekday. It doesn’t have excellent community managers, a studio head with an active Reddit account, or a technical director who chats on community podcasts.

There is, however, a shady undertone to Mystery Boxes and the messages about them. No game developer encourages me to gamble with the regularity of GGG. I find it disturbing.


Ah. Context. Mostly she was jumping on the current bandwagon of punching EA in the face for their overwhelming greed regarding DLC for a premium title. A worthy bandwagon, but not really about boxes in games -- just a look at how EA would amplify the shadiest part of PoE's monetisation (on that we are agreed!) into something truly vile.

This is why 'nothing would change' is wrong. That 9/10 you give them now would be 2/10 if we apply EA's approach to monetisation, and that's being generous. I know Chris would scuttle this whole titanic effort before letting PoE turn into that. I know it, despite what others here claim to know. And that's acknowledging that we've come damn close to a few icebergs on that front already, what with Garena and Tencent now in the picture.

And we are NOT out of the ice floes either. Not by a long fucking shot. I've watched Tencent kill games they've bought simply because those games might threaten their other interests, and I've seen them eviscerate quality entertainment to make more money. And while I don't think Chris would ever let GGG be taken over overtly by way of majority share purchase, I think the Garena situation did show us that they're not immune to the wiles of outside forces invited to share their resources.
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Completed 38 ChallengesMiniST wrote:
would buy the pet that loots everything for you.


and..... i love this idea ! xD
I'd buy garenamon anytime if it would ever be released again.

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Completed 32 ChallengesSarno wrote:
This thread would work better if Mystery Boxes weren’t a thing.

I once spent three months in a mental hospital (depression, if you’re curious) and I met a man whose life was ruined by his susceptibility to gambling. No matter what kind of addiction a person suffers from, the consequences are invariably heartbreaking. Every time GGG release a new Mystery Box I think of him - and I lose a little more respect for them as a company.

The contents of the box are irrelevant - gambling (or pseudo-gambling) doesn’t belong in a game about hitting things in the head until blood and loot appears on the floor. And let’s be clear; the company investing money left, right, and center isn’t on the verge of bankruptcy. When you’ve the money to spend on Xbox ports, Chinese releases, and your largest expansion to date, your bank account is obviously doing just fine. This is pure greed. And it’s reprehensible.

I know most people aren’t going to feel as strongly about this as I do, if you even care at all. But to some extent that’s a product of not having seen the damage first hand. Think about road safety - naturally those who care the most are the ones who were either injured in a car crash, or lost someone they cared about due to one. I’ve never been much of a gambler, but I have at least seen one of its victims. I’ve seen the self-loathing, the shame, the fear of next time.

This is why there are laws which target gambling. Laws which get all too conveniently sidestepped by ‘technically it’s not gambling’ boxes in games. That the boxes exist is bad. That they are contained within a game marketed to children by the likes of Microsoft, Valve, and Tencent is worse. That GGG even has the nerve to give the contents of them temporary exclusivity is pathetic.

I’d have thought the least a game with $400+ packs could offer you is a gambling-free experience. Instead they regularly add new boxes, post an announcement about them which is shown on the game’s log in screen, remind you about them in chat, prevent you from buying the contents separately instead, then talk about how many people ‘choose’ to buy them.

GGG doesn’t deserve a thread about how much more pro-consumer they supposedly are than other companies. They’re a for-profit business and they push their boxes as much as they can. I refuse to see the shades of grey. In my mind this is black and white, and GGG are on the wrong side. If EA bought GGG nothing would change. Do me a favour and stop with the accolades.


GGG still falls on a better side given the game is F2P. That said, I don't think these boxes are needed. While I myself can stop myself from buying 23942394239 of them (I usually buy 2-3, if any), but I can tell that many people don't know when to stop.

I really wouldn't mind if GGG stopped with those.
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Wait a moment, wouldn´t EA first fire off all the devs and replace them with Sheep,
i heard Sheep are a cheap and local resource in NZ ?
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In all seriousness if (God forbid) EA bought GGG it would just shut it down. Try looking up the fates of other game companies they have bought. It starts with Bullfrog. And it never ends.
Most recently I think it was Visceral (Dead Space).
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Same thing that ebay/Paypal did and probably still does. Why compete when you can just buy the potential threat and shut them down.

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