PvP is dead will you still fund GGG? (Straw Poll)

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Aodui wrote:

If Chris Wilson would be kind enough to announce that they are removing PVP, I would stop giving them money and go play something else.

Until then, I refuse to give up a possible outfit combination and will make sure to capture every limited release MTX.

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Aodui wrote:

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robmafia wrote:

...and you wonder why they don't care about pvp?

Most of us in the forums do not wonder why; they don't care about PVP because the most vocal players not only do not care for it, but vehemently oppose any resources being used for PVP.

View any Reddit thread when someone mentions PVP, every comment is followed up by a bandwagon of haters.
More people care about races, but that is still a small subsection of the population, and has fairly died out.
Even more people care about trading, but GGG has a hard stance against what players say they want in regards to trading.

The PVP community does not have leverage.
We exist in priorities somewhere in the same area as Guild feature enhancements.
Even if everyone who would quit without them did so, it would mean nothing to the game.
The Perfect Form will likely get 3d Art before we get Blight damage scaling.
4.0 will likely come out before the Winter Lab Enchant is corrected.

edit: I do like this idea people have that GGG is a modern company, making data driven decisions, and is keeping track of players who PVP regularly and correlating it with their purchases of supporter packs, to decide whether or not they should do more work on PVP. It would be amazing if they did something like that, but I bet if they did the results would be "we spent more money deciding on if we should do more work on PVP than all PVPers have donated combined."

The only way PVP will improve is if GGG takes a stance, like they do with trading, against the general player base.

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Aodui wrote:

Apologies, I fully understand your idea, and usually at this point I just ignore whatever it is you are not following along with, but will make one more attempt, just for you, just for this issue, I will try to make this make sense to you.

It does not matter if we give GGG a few grand, engineers cost a lot more money than that.

Your belief that it does matter requires a very specific set of facts:
GGG has to be tracking PVP usage
GGG has to be correlating PVP usage with supporter packs
GGG has to decide to make business decisions based on current usage and support
The numbers have to show it is valuable

Under your theory, you must be believing that GGG is reading our PVP forums for anything other than language or hurt feelings, seeing who is posting, and saying "oh man! of the fifteen people who post in our PVP forums, three of them are showing a bunch of supporter tags, they probably gave us around $5,000 USD over the course of four years, we should totally just do whatever they say!" "aaaah! but wait, they will still keep that minuscule amount of capital flowing regardless of our decision, never mind guys, PVP can stay on the back burner."

You holding out on giving them $60 unless they release PVP changes is not something anyone sane would consider motivation for them to do so.

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robmafia wrote:

holy logical fail.

no, the above list you made is hardly a pre-req for incentive, nor is it a justification for you to have a monkey on your back.

it's obvious that you did completely miss the point, though. one provides incentive. the other provides no incentive. i didn't argue at all about the size or scope of incentive.

nice list of false equivalency followed by a bizarre strawman paragraph, though. perhaps if you spent 1/10 of the effort into responding to things actually said, instead of fiction that you made up...


eta: added quote, since you chronically try to cover up your brilliance by deleting your posts.