[3.5] Mjölner Untethered 3.5 UPDATE! Mjölner is back! Uberelder+Shaper done

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Sacr0 wrote:

discharge triggers "on hit", not on attack. for the case of 2.74 times a second you are right, with such an attack speed(unoptimal) it would only trigger "per attack" because the time between each hit would be slightly below 0.2ms meaning every 2. cyclone hit would not work because of the discharge cd. but an attack rate of 5 times per second is not needed. just think about an attack rate of 2.4 times/second resulting in 4.8 hits per second. this would mean that the first as well as the second hit from each cyclone would trigger because the hit would be every 0.208 and not fall into the discharge cd range.

our discussion about attack speed assumes a linear hitrate on cyclone
after doing some testing i cant confirm that it works this way. in fact, even a cyclone with a shitty as of 2.74/s discharge triggers around 4 times/second. i've been wondering why and this is what i've found.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1158669
this explains the cyclone mechanics quiet good in my opinion. Basically this guy says that we dont need any attack speed because we improve our cyclone hitrate via movement speed. after some testing, i tend to confirm that this is true.

the belt is still worth it. it does give us the ability to use 1 extra discharge per second (20% more dps). even if we cant hit the optimal proc rate and are slightly below it, we couldn't do the same with a discharge cd of 250ms (4 discharges per second). we'd also loose some discharges there due to unoptimal trigger times. i can't say if the boots are better for this build than the belt, maybe they are. both are best in slot items if you ask me.

Hi again. I'm still skeptical about this after reading a bit more myself.

This is what I am assuming about cyclone (based on Wiki and MarkGGG's posts):
1) Cyclone spins at your attack rate. So an attack time of 0.25 means you're spinning 4 times in one second.
2) Cyclone hits twice per spin. Assuming linear hit rate, that would mean a hit time of 0.125 (still within the discharge cooldown).
3) The minimum travel distance of cyclone is 10. A character's hitbox is 2. So the minimum distance is 5 characters' worth (standing side by side etc. i guess you can line up your masters in your h/o as close as possible to see how far that is?). Can you cover that 10 distance fast enough to start the next cyclone spin such that it happens faster than the cyclone attack rate? I have my doubts about that.

Don't get me wrong. I WANT this belt to be worth (I hit a +1 endu vaal on mine a few weeks back). I'm just trying to get definitive math on whether or not it's worth. My spin speed with zero buffs is 0.24s and goes to 0.23-something with buffs. Aiming for 0.2 but I find it's really tough investment-wise to stack that much without an aurabot.

Thanks for the objective discussion about this.

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malleundco wrote:

what do you think of using Doryani's Invitation Heavy Belt with this build?
i just made this character and didnt do uber lab yet so i cant keep the life leech potion up all the time, also i couldnt get a volls devotion with life leech yet. do you think that belt could be good or is the harbinger belt too good?