I'm tired of picking up orbs on the ground

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vio wrote:

that community ... some people are eagerly fighting bots and some wanting ggg to implement bot functionality directly into characters to trivialise the process.

reservation costs don't matter if you can send your ahk driven bot into your map after you speed cleared it to collect currency and it just has to walk around for 5 minutes before logging out.

*shakes head*

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vio wrote:

that community ... some people are eagerly fighting bots and some wanting ggg to implement bot functionality directly into characters to trivialise the process.

reservation costs don't matter if you can send your ahk driven bot into your map after you speed cleared it to collect currency and it just has to walk around for 5 minutes before logging out.

*shakes head*

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Lynerus wrote:

I dont understand why this game doesnt already have auto pick up of wisdom scrolls and portals

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mark1030 wrote:

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Lynerus wrote:

I dont understand why this game doesnt already have auto pick up of wisdom scrolls and portals

Because GGG wants you to make choices. Choices of items. Choices of skills. Choices of passives. Choices on what to pick up and what to leave on the ground.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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mark1030 wrote:

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Lynerus wrote:

I dont understand why this game doesnt already have auto pick up of wisdom scrolls and portals

Because GGG wants you to make choices. Choices of items. Choices of skills. Choices of passives. Choices on what to pick up and what to leave on the ground.

Rather, they want us to make choice to NOT play PoE, because it lacks QoL mechanics, that became almost standard for ARPGs.

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goetzjam wrote:

Its not quality of life, its quality of layzness. If orbs did nothing more then crating then it might be acceptable, if orbs were only used as currency, it might be acceptable, but because they are used as both and a means of trading then orbs should be something you pickup by choice. Otherwise its not much different from gold in d3, now would it be?

Whether you auto-loot it or pick manually, currency in PoE isnt much different to "gold" in other games. Despite having 10+ different currencies, 99% trades use only two - chaos and exalted (that can be considered "gold" in PoE. Why? Because that's what developed economy demands - the universal currency to perform easy trades.

You think a single currency (aka "gold") is bad? Actually, it barely matters. As i already said, for healthy economy, currency production and consumption should be even. If production prevails, we see total inflation, ex-orbitant prices for highest-tier items and anything below is considered junk, and so on.
D3 economy failed exactly because of that reason. There was too low gold consumption, and economy crumbled.

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goetzjam wrote:

If you think there are better ARPG games to play that have better QOL features, please by all means point them out, because sometimes I get sick of POE and the community that wants to constantly dumb down this game.

Even if other ARPGs are worse in certain aspects, you still can learn from them, and use mechanics that proved to be good for players and game in long term. Auto-looting is one of those features. Games like Sacred 2, Grim Dawn, D3 and others treat player well when it comes to looting. They dont force player to click on every gold pile, making him happy both in short and long term. Sure, things like 10x drop rates or OP build can make player happy in short term, but in long term, he'll get bored and leave.

You know, before lootfilters were implemented in PoE, some players said THE SAME arguments (as you say) about loot filters. Yet, when they finally WERE added, 99%+ players were over-enjoyed by them, and economy didnt suddenly crumbled because of lootfilters.

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goetzjam wrote:

Poe was and is suppose to be different. From not having set items to making uniques not just be "better rares", its meant to be a more engaging game and part of that is deciding what you want to pickup and not just being rewarded for having X picked up for you. What fun do you have going thru the motions? A perfect example of this in action is rampage\breach interaction. In breaches a lot of monsters typically flood the screen and as a result you typically drop a lot of various currency items, if you are using one of the methods to get rampage you want to keep it up to continue to clear the map, but if you take too long looting the currency, then you lose your rampage buff and need to start over this matters more for an item like biscos belt but you get the overall idea.

You know, i actually agree with GGG's view on set items. In literally every other ARPG, there are set items. And after playing them a lot, and rethinking how sets affect gamepley, i came to the same conclusion - too strong set bonuses just limit gearing options severely.
So yes, sometimes it's good to "be different", if said mechanics didnt proven its usefullness.
About uniques - i dont like the name "unique" in first place. "unique" means something ONE of a kind, and "uniques" in ARPGs (as items with pre-defened stats) dont fit that definition, because many similar "uniques" exist. In ARPGs like TQ or GD, they're called "epics" and "legendaries", i find those names fitting their nature far more.
"uniques" in D3 (as items with partially pre-defined an partially random stats) fit "unique" name more, in my opinion. At least, 2 "uniques" of same kind can actually have different stats... And i dont find that idea bad. If game designers decided, that best items should have both pre-defined and random stats - let it be so. It's much worse, when best items have completely pre-defined stats, as their acquision will be too easy. Getting an item with several random stats, all with proper mods, is far harder, and usually opens far more possibilities for itemization.

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Whether you auto-loot it or pick manually, currency in PoE isnt much different to "gold" in other games. Despite having 10+ different currencies, 99% trades use only two - chaos and exalted (that can be considered "gold" in PoE. Why? Because that's what developed economy demands - the universal currency to perform easy trades.

You think a single currency (aka "gold") is bad? Actually, it barely matters. As i already said, for healthy economy, currency production and consumption should be even. If production prevails, we see total inflation, ex-orbitant prices for highest-tier items and anything below is considered junk, and so on.
D3 economy failed exactly because of that reason. There was too low gold consumption, and economy crumbled.

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Even if other ARPGs are worse in certain aspects, you still can learn from them, and use mechanics that proved to be good for players and game in long term. Auto-looting is one of those features. Games like Sacred 2, Grim Dawn, D3 and others treat player well when it comes to looting. They dont force player to click on every gold pile, making him happy both in short and long term. Sure, things like 10x drop rates or OP build can make player happy in short term, but in long term, he'll get bored and leave.

You know, before lootfilters were implemented in PoE, some players said THE SAME arguments (as you say) about loot filters. Yet, when they finally WERE added, 99%+ players were over-enjoyed by them, and economy didnt suddenly crumbled because of lootfilters.

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You know, i actually agree with GGG's view on set items. In literally every other ARPG, there are set items. And after playing them a lot, and rethinking how sets affect gamepley, i came to the same conclusion - too strong set bonuses just limit gearing options severely.
So yes, sometimes it's good to "be different", if said mechanics didnt proven its usefullness.
About uniques - i dont like the name "unique" in first place. "unique" means something ONE of a kind, and "uniques" in ARPGs (as items with pre-defened stats) dont fit that definition, because many similar "uniques" exist. In ARPGs like TQ or GD, they're called "epics" and "legendaries", i find those names fitting their nature far more.
"uniques" in D3 (as items with partially pre-defined an partially random stats) fit "unique" name more, in my opinion. At least, 2 "uniques" of same kind can actually have different stats... And i dont find that idea bad. If game designers decided, that best items should have both pre-defined and random stats - let it be so. It's much worse, when best items have completely pre-defined stats, as their acquision will be too easy. Getting an item with several random stats, all with proper mods, is far harder, and usually opens far more possibilities for itemization.

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goetzjam wrote:

Except gold isn't the same thing is poe's currency. They specifically made it different so it can't be classified as the same. If poe's system was a gold based one you could argue how its behind the times, but because the currency is also crafting materials and used to craft things (from master,ect) then its got far more uses then gold ever will have. You can't take gold and slap it on an item and change its properties, in poe you can take a couple different types of the currencies and modify items.

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goetzjam wrote:

You would have a better shot of them implementing an AH, then you would them implementing auto looting. The day either of these occur is the day poe is dead to me.