LOL cops in venezuela robbing ppls This is socialisms end game cant even pay enforcers..
" Heh, nice irony there. It's actually socialism that causes poverty. And what causes poverty, cannot solve it. If you want to bring people out of poverty they need jobs, not welfare. But socialism always destroys a nation's economy with central planing, nationalization, strict regulation, massive bureaucracy, inherent corruption... These "features" are what you always end up with, if you give massive power to the monopoly called government. Give people economic liberty and they will create lush paradises, even where there are no resources: Japan, Singapore, South Korea... Force socialism on people and it will smother and kill even countries that have many natural resources: Venezuela, most of Africa, ex SU... When night falls She cloaks the world In impenetrable darkness Last edited by morbo on Jun 14, 2017, 11:40:20 PM
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" However it goes, acting like it's been decided already is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's an ongoing experiment and the outcome is still very much uncertain. --- Venezuela is, if nothing else, a reaffirmation that single points of failure are highly problematic. Nobody says it quite as elegantly as the GZA himself. They shifted their economic focus fully into their oil sands and whoops, OPEC accidentally wiped them out when they discounted their oil to both recapture the market and to try and stunt fracking development (in the US and everywhere else). Theoretically some day the price per barrel will get high enough for oil from their oil sands to be worth extracting, but in the meantime, they're utterly hosed and have to build everything back up from the bottom. --- Venezuela's centrally-planned decision turned out poorly for them, which is salient point number two: Having such a major decision be made by few enough people that nobody spoke up about the massive risks of "putting it all on black" is highly problematic. Even if it didn't turn out poorly, the decision was a bad one. Note that they could have arrived at the decision not via central-planning as well. In a parallel universe where unbounded Venezuelan capitalism grew corporatism and oligarchy, the same situation of too few people in control of too much decision-making power would have arisen, and the opportunity to make this same really big bad decision would exist and could have been taken. | |
" those buildings are falling apart mate. China builds houses etc and they are falling apart and unsafe for humans to be inside in like 10 years, entire high rise builds literally falling over etc. Its a fucking shithole of poor quality constantly replaced buildings, thats part of why theyre using so many materials at the expense of the planet and their smog levels look like something from a post apocalyptic sci fi film. When it comes to building stuff theyre like the dollar store of the world, cheap and disposable garbage. In london people are living in houses that were built 150 years ago and will still be lived in 150 years from now. The future of mankind is welfare states. Its an admirable slave mentality you have, putting in the graft like a good little drone. But the future is robots being the workforce, 80% of the population will have no paid work at all, they will be on a basic salary simply for being alive, there will be no need for them to work at all. People will just be free to get on with hobbies, healthy living, raising children, looking after the elderly, doing charitable type work, looking after the environment and wildlife, these sort of tasks. China isnt the future, theyre going through what we went through and what everyone must go through before we can tie up a world government and start building a society towards the point where the machines can take over and our species can rise to a new level of existence and understanding that will be morally, spiritually and physically superior to our current state. The truth is were struggling to make jobs already, we just dont need everyone to work, our systems require a given amount of people to be unemployed. You can call them lazy blah blah, there literally isnt enough stuff for people to do, if everyone had a degree and was an amazing worker you would still have the unemployment we have in the west. Your view of the situation is imo unrealistic, welfare is needed because capitalism is failing unless you want significant amounts of people to literally starve to death and live on the streets, not because theyre lazy, because theres no need for them in the dying capitalist model. Sharing the money around isnt theft, thats a narrow unquestioning view of the system that fails to understand the current distribution of work and money within it is not infallible and is not able to exist without masses of unemployment. If you kill of those unemployed people then theres less consumers, less stuff needs made and more jobs are lost, now you have unemployed people again. These 'thieves' are an emergent property of the technological age where we can build slaves from circuits and steel, we dont need to breed poor people to get stuff done. |
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" Even if you assume everything that is needed to create such a nice utopia would go 100% well and smooth, there is still one thing you have to do, before you achieve this robotized heaven: keep a population limit by force. In no way you'll have a sustainable welfare state with unlimited procreation and a "free society". Those people who would otherwise invent all the robots and automation systems, will instead design jets and bombs for the next global war for resources, triggered by an ever expanding world population and encroaching hostile ideologies. Contrary to most of the world, China already understood in the past, that more = less. When they tried to have a socialist utopia, but couldn't feed everyone. When night falls
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" What we need is to avoid wasting those voluntary which could be used to help, instead to arbitrary discard the weaker. Stop Bombing Syria
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" Slave mentaility...interesting I do play POE so yeah prolly guilty as charged haha. Anyway Why would elites keep useless breeders around if robots can be their servants? Robots have No naggin about human rights , no riots, no pollution, no miniumum wage, No Ramadan, No thanksgiving. no health care costs, no terrorism, no crime, etc they don't have a clue how to solve Lets hope robot dont do our work I fear elites may put those thermonuclear missles to use while they hide in tax payer funded underground cities until it blows over We had like 50% unemployment in the great depression no one starved with zero social welfare. People helped people. This whole thing you need to a welfare state to do it is a myth. To make elites richer BTW since very little filters to those who needs it. Middle men like fortune 500s get most of "social welfare" ...check heath care stocks before and after obamacare. People also give less to charity because they are like I'm taxed like a mofo government should be helping those bums. When in fact only ppl who get most tax moneies are the Deep State minions at the trough. Have not you ever wonder why more socialist we get larger GINI index grows? Not only are they stealing individual wealth taking it to tippy top. The had funding to end humanity with that theft. Continue to believe in them I will not. Two men can end 7 billion. Talk about Right of Kings tax and welfare state brought. Git R Dun! Last edited by Aim_Deep on Jun 15, 2017, 5:27:40 PM
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" Is there any resources that proves the growth of population has no limit, or no way to feed current world population ? What I know is 99% of wealth on the earth is blah blah. Stop Bombing Syria
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Im just saying its the future for better or worse. We grew up in a generation where jobs were good and no jobs was a bad thing, where we were brought up to believe in hard work, in doing our part as a slave to the system that required our work to turn its wheels. Its healthy, we know our place and embrace it, it is our purpose. But like it or not the future is that most of us will be thieves stealing from the hard work of technology, were not going to see it in our lifetimes, maybe no one alive today will see it, but the shift is already underway.
Obviously extreme left wing politics has gone badly before, but then so has extreme right wing, Im not too worried though because technology changes things, size changes things. When you have a centralised world government what worked and didnt work with competing nations partly goes out the window, once we have unlimited energy and the ability to overproduce what we need by large amounts the situation becomes different. " that might not actually be the case. The birth rate in the uk and usa are around 1.85 per woman, that means the average 2 person couple is producing less than 2 people. The more civilised and advanced a culture gets the more we seem to drift towards declining populations, not stable, certainly not growing. In the past we had kings, and the myth that they were somehow divine was a thing. Do we believe our politicians and bankers are divine beings now? No, we dont need that layer of bullshit, its unnecessary because we understand the need for structure and we are not living in shit. We dont know exactly how society will be in the future, how much of our current bs we can shed. With a central government theres no need to compete on a national level, with technology we can have global tracking of resources and distribution in a way no one living in russia or china during the red days could begin to achieve even nationally, we can have production that vastly outstrips demand. Right now theres certain things we should be doing but cant because while we can enact laws that encourage an ideal we know will be beneficial, other countries wont, they will pull ahead of us economically within the capitalist ratrace as a result and no good will come of it globally. When you dont have that you can properly engineer society, if you need to encourage or discourage breeding, eating certain foods, using certain materials etc then we will have the power to do so without the shackles of the current systems. You dont need to use massively poluting energy sources because you need the jobs to compete with X other country in terms of economic growth out of fear of some future physical conflict. Think of what a pleb in medieval society really understood about how the world worked, with their god kings and non existent education, illiterate etc. Now look at what we understand. The more people become educated and financially secure the less they will need to be forced to do what is logical, sensible, moral in order to maintain their way of life. We wont have to lie, we can just say heres the facts, this is why this needs to happen and people will see it for what it is. Last edited by Snorkle_uk on Jun 15, 2017, 7:26:24 PM
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" Thats cuz you inherited a lot of money and never learned to think. You had a charmed life anything u say unless backed by reason I discard. ppl complain about idle poor. Idle rich just as bad if not worse cuz have hubris. Git R Dun! Last edited by Aim_Deep on Jun 15, 2017, 7:40:16 PM
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"You need to check your facts before you post things. In the great depression national unemployment ranged between 10% and 20% with a peak a bit higher in the low 20s. You seem quite clueless about the actual impact of the depression on the lives of the not rich.
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Effects of depression in the U.S.:
*13 million people became unemployed. In 1932, 34 million people belonged to families with no regular full-time wage earner.[51] *Industrial production fell by nearly 45% between 1929 and 1932. *Homebuilding dropped by 80% between the years 1929 and 1932. *In the 1920s, the banking system in the U.S. was about $50 billion, which was about 50% of GDP.[52] From 1929 to 1932, about 5,000 banks went out of business. *By 1933, 11,000 of the US' 25,000 banks had failed.[53] *Between 1929 and 1933, U.S. GDP fell around 30%, the stock market lost almost 90% of its value.[54] *In 1929, the unemployment rate averaged 3%.[55] *In Cleveland, the unemployment rate was 50%; in Toledo, Ohio, 80%.[51] *One Soviet trading corporation in New York averaged 350 applications a day from Americans seeking jobs in the Soviet Union.[56] *Over one million families lost their farms between 1930 and 1934.[51] *Corporate profits had dropped from $10 billion in 1929 to $1 billion in 1932.[51] Between 1929 and 1932, the income of the average American family was reduced by 40%.[57] *Nine million savings accounts had been wiped out between 1930 and 1933.[51] 273,000 families had been evicted from their homes in 1932.[51] *There were two million homeless people migrating around the country.[51] *Over 60% of Americans were categorized as poor by the federal government in 1933.[51] *In the last prosperous year (1929), there were 279,678 immigrants recorded, but in 1933 only 23,068 came to the U.S.[58][59] *In the early 1930s, more people emigrated from the United States than immigrated to it.[60] *With little economic activity there was scant demand for new coinage. No nickels or dimes were minted in 1932–33, no quarter dollars in 1931 or 1933, no half dollars from 1930 to 1932, and no silver dollars in the years 1929–33. *The U.S. government sponsored a Mexican Repatriation program which was intended to encourage people to voluntarily move to Mexico, but thousands, including some U.S. citizens, were deported against their will. Altogether about 400,000 Mexicans were repatriated.[61] *New York social workers reported that 25% of all schoolchildren were malnourished. In the mining counties of West Virginia, Illinois, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania, the proportion of malnourished children was perhaps as high as 90%.[51] *Many people became ill with diseases such as tuberculosis (TB).[51] *The 1930 U.S. Census determined the U.S. population to be 122,775,046. About 40% of the population was under 20 years old.[62] Feel free to use any of the above to make your case. "Gratitude is wine for the soul. Go on. Get drunk." Rumi US Mountain Time Zone Last edited by ChanBalam on Jun 15, 2017, 8:33:06 PM
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