Changes to the Labyrinth

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crunkatog wrote:
In other games, even if you don't deal any damage, you are expected to at least be in the room with the boss present, and by extension, be able to survive if the boss randomly directs an attack your way.


generally, you just need to be in the instance of a boss. same with shaper and uber elder and everything else like regular map bosses or liches. sometimes the instance is just a room like regular elder, but in most cases you can wait outside the arena.
Make Lab Shorter.
Get rid of Golden Doors
Make Trials shorter
Do something with enchants so that it doesn't feel like such a terrible slog to actually try and get your own enchantments


ANYTHING. I don't even want to bother with leveling another character, EVER, simply because I'm so burnt out on Lab.
Still as of today the labyrinth is my least favourite part in character development.
- it is undoable on experimental builds.
- in particular merciless and endgame I have learned to overrank by 10 to 15 levels before I even try.
- I completed endgame ever only once, as I consider it worse than work.
- For my favourite class Scion the endgame lab offers little reward.

I have collected a few characters throughout the leagues. Occasionaly I spec one into "merciless lab" after a skills reset, to assume something more fun with the next skills reset.
I hesitate to roll new characters, as at some point merciless lab shows up.
Lab is fine.
Sounds logic and legit to have some build who can do it pretty easily, while they can't do UElder/fast mapping...
You can't get everything, stop whinning.

The only tunning imo, should be to reduce the "escort" puzzle thing, running labs (or walking lab...) and having thoses escort thing is really really annoying, to have to wait for minutes already when you spend a lot already inside the lab (if you're going for a "full run", not a speedy one)
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Blooglet wrote:
Still as of today the labyrinth is my least favourite part in character development.
- it is undoable on experimental builds.
- in particular merciless and endgame I have learned to overrank by 10 to 15 levels before I even try.
- I completed endgame ever only once, as I consider it worse than work.
- For my favourite class Scion the endgame lab offers little reward.

I have collected a few characters throughout the leagues. Occasionaly I spec one into "merciless lab" after a skills reset, to assume something more fun with the next skills reset.
I hesitate to roll new characters, as at some point merciless lab shows up.


all this everybody should win a trophy u come straight form balance manifesto ? lab content is very easy and short.
justice has been served...
I lab and do lab every single league. My youtube channel is full of result from 100XLAB, 200etc. I do this a lot and I gave my thoughts on the enchant system here.

https://youtu.be/2LtycR2yDo4


Let me know what you think, thanks

twitch.tv/ggzii
Lab continues to suck.

You fight Izaro up to 12 times per character, which is waaaaayyyyyyy out of line compared to every other boss in the game. Also, the lore is nonsensical (we run lab 4 times because ... why?, why does merc lab exist when merc difficulty no longer does?, among other problems). Plus, gating character progression behind a mini-game instead of the main game is an odd design decision that makes the experience feel alien and non-immersive.

When a merc or (especially) eternal lab run fails because of a disconnect -- and that's the only reason I fail at getting ascendancy points these days because Izaro is very predictable -- then it's a borderline rage-inducing event that means POE doesn't get touched for a while.

On that note, I've had a big uptick in sudden disconnects kicking me out to the login menu in the past month or thereabouts. That uptick plus lab killed my interest in leveling up some higher level characters in the last league; re-running merc / eternal lab is irritating enough that I find other things to do instead.

Izaro the Boring can get the fuck out of this game anytime, from my perspective. Make the process of earning prestige classes suck less and make it make more sense.
Now that prestige classes will finally leave lab in 4.0, will GGG get it right this time or will they find new ways to repeat old mistakes?
Legion introduces more ways to get gems, the only thing lab really has left is enchants being rare. Hope they dont change it.
twitch.tv/ggzii
Only problem wit Lab in my opinion are enchants. Its normal that the best enchants are rare , true, but still there are like what, 400+ enchants ? And more than half of them being extremely useless. It will be good if some of those useless ones are either reworked, so they actually give a good buff to the otherwise bad skill, or the skills themselves be redesigned so they are not actually bad, therefore the enchants end up not that bad either, or just remove some of them.

Of course there will be people saying " Yea but they should be hard to get, you should not be able to grab them easily " and i totally agree with that. Also, with every league come new skills therefore new enchants and they just keep growing in count. At some point obtaining the one you need becomes pointless. Yes, you can always buy it from someone that had that particular one but does not need it, but at that point when the chance to get the enchant is 1/500 or something, the price becomes too much to be worth.

Something has to be redesigned so you actually see a point in farming your own lab enchant, because lab itself is quite fun part of the game, but as already mentioned in the comments, you cant run it on any character. You need to make a specific one who is a lab farmer in order to farm it and get the enchant.

Someone mentioned that they should be put in the bench for crafting, but that`s a bad option in my opinion, and it contradicts the part "good ones should be hard to get" . A good option might be to just remove the tier from Merc Lab, and leave the tier from Uber only. That will shorten the list significantly, but wont make them that much easier to obtain, with the head enchants being available only in uber tho, as otherwise people will farm merc and then they will be very easy to obtain.
100% for make lab shorter, removin some rooms and make every room shorter + add options to sell/save enchantment mods into crafting bench

GGG pls!
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