GGG, could you tell us what is going on with the Nazi-reference in act 5?
" Yeah, because Nazis were very inspirational people. Give me a fucking break "Good thing they nerfed the carto, it wasn't fun to find one in every map." - Haborym Last edited by monkuar on Feb 16, 2017, 10:18:34 PM
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" Well, maybe not but still way more than the pathetic pc people that do not even have a real life. ^^ German saying: Schönheit und Funktionalität in Sekundenschnelle zu ruinieren, ist dem wahren Dilettanten keine Herausforderung!
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" it has nothing to do with political correctness if one doesn't want the (insert really evil term here) real life references in a fantasy arpg. my grandpa, who was a nazi, just died. seeing the armbands and the eagle i get constantly reminded of him. you really wanna fight donald trump as the final boss to see how it is to break immersion? age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill! Last edited by vio on Feb 17, 2017, 3:45:26 AM
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" Jetzt mal im Ernst, ich bin auch aus Deutschland. Ich bin jetzt 46 Jahre alt und oh Wunder schon ich habe GARNIX mehr von dem verdammten Nazidreck mitbekommen (wofür ich echt dankbar bin); geschweige denn einer aus den jüngeren Generationen. War mein Opa ein Nazi? Keine Ahnung, der ist schon lange tot, so wie etwa 99,9999999999% aller Zeitzeugen auf allen Seiten, deshalb finde ich es echt maßlos lächerlich wenn Leute ständig über Nazis faseln. Und natürlich geht es nur um das zu kleine Selbstwertgefühl irgendwelcher pc Spacken, die ihrem erbärmlichen Leben eine Sinn geben möchten aber zu panne sind selbst etwas zu schaffen, also wird man halt anti (irgendwas) und ist jederzeit in der vermeintlich moralisch überlegenen Position und kann rumweinen; erbärmlicher geht es garnicht. Unverschämter übrigens auch nicht - ggg einfach zu unterstellen sie würden Nazis verherrlichen (was hier einige im Forum echt unterstellen) ist derart jenseits jeder Grenze des guten Geschmacks, es ist schlichtweg ekelhaft. Das ist so ähnlich wie mit den heute 20-30 jährigen sozial abgehängten im Ostteil des Landes, die sich noch immer als Opfer der DDR hinstellen, einfach unfassbar panne. Wannimmer Leute über Nazis schwafeln kann man zu 90% sicher sein, es mit irgendeiner Form von Prekariat zu tun zu haben! Und der Vergleich mit Trump hinkt auch, weil ich habe keine bekannte Nazipersönlichkeit im 3.0 Trailer gesehen, du etwa? German saying: Schönheit und Funktionalität in Sekundenschnelle zu ruinieren, ist dem wahren Dilettanten keine Herausforderung! torturo: "Though, I'm really concerned, knowing by practice the capabilities of the balance team." top2000: "let me bend your rear for a moment exile" Last edited by 666lol666 on Feb 17, 2017, 6:27:31 AM
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" I have exactly same opinion of OP post... Crybabies will cry over anything, since their only reason for crying is crying itself, not "reason" they argued. PS: I find it funny how whiners cry over nazi references, I did not see anyone crying over other historical references... Plus, I like how templars are nazi expys, since that's how I pictured them since open beta. Last edited by Drunkendx on Feb 17, 2017, 6:30:58 AM
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" es mir persönlich nicht um verherrlichung von nazi-symbolen, "nur" um die spielathmosphäre. deswegen auch der trump vergleich, kannst du austauschen gegen jedes andere mem. was bis dahin halt "das böse war, dass versuche an menschen gemacht hat", sind jetzt halt die nazis gewesen. hätten genauso gut die amerikaner gewesen sein können, jede nation hat so ihre vergangenheit. 30 jährige als opfer der ddr? hatten wohl ne schwere vergangenheit im kindergarten. naja, das thema ist für mich mit dem post hier durch, das forum mehr oder weniger auch. so long... age and treachery will triumph over youth and skill!
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" Artists can draw inspiration from anything, not just rainbows and unicorns. Did Lord of the Rings offend you? Equilibrium? Star Wars? Harry Potter? It's always about the viewer, but yes, nazis influenced many fictional bad guys, if you want a break, simply shelter yourself, turn of PC, TV, don't read fiction (and history books) and you will have the break you want.
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To give a little context, I will explain why I am happy that nazis appear in popculture even now, 70 after WW2.
Initially my country was gifted to Hitler by our allies in their foolish hope it would appease him and stop his hunger for more. It didn't, but out country was gone. Yes, we had army ready to fight this vain fight, we did have modern fortification all around on our borders, but with the limited resources the fight was lost even before it started. Our president ordered the army to stand down. All this happened when my grandparents were about 10 years old. Short after this our country was officially part of the Reich, but of course people did not feel like part of it, they were prisoners. Many fled to join other counttries in the fight against nazism, some as pilots in RAF. But like always, some were seeking wealth and status by aiding the 'jailer'. This situation greatly damaged our society and if it wasn't for our resistance fighters and especially Heidrich assasination, maybe we would never recover. After the war we only lived 3 years before Soviet Russia supported communists took over and contonued ruining our country and damaging our society for next 40 years. But the people were, sadly, because of the WW2 ocuupation, very easy target for them. And now, I am happy that nazi themes are appearing in art, I like that they make people think about them, what they did, what were they trying to achieve and what did they have to do to to get there, how individuals were afected, how did it look on the outside, how did it look on the inside, context... It is important for our - human society, to not forget. Young people need to get interested somehow first, only then they will be actually learning the facts. Without interest they will only learn few dates from a textbook for the test. I can see this already hapening in our schools, just regarding communism. It is much harder to inspire children and young people to learn about it. Communists are not badass, they are not movie villains... But the results of communism were very much like the nazi disaster before them. I sincerely hope artists will not stop showing references to the bad things in our history in fear of offending someone. We need those references, we need to remember and popculture is a working way to ensure that. ✠ ✠
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"29 years old. I did not read the all replies but the full OP texts. I agree on they look very similar, the only difference is the GGG/PoE self created Oriath symbol instead of the mirrored Swastika. Further I don't think they wanted that connection on intention to emphasise any political opinion or so. As said by other: they want to create a good theme from the Oriath regime, easy to recognize while playing. I agree that a red ribbon/brassard with white circle and black symbol on it looks way to similar. Every time it reminds me to Nazi but I also don't like this reminder. This reminder is not due to any political/historical guilt or something (because I agree that it was no god what happened in Europe back then but for the young generation is like kin liability to still feel guilty) That said then why not just using the symbolism like GGG did but still I think it is a rather unfortunate choice. Therefore one out of the five - RED ribbon with WHITE CIRCLE and BLACK symbol - should be changed, as the symbol is fine/fixed e.g. RED ribbon/brassard with GREEN RHOMBUS and YELLOW symbol or so (am really no good gfx designer, I am a software engineer but working on servers and design interfaces but not users/visual ones). Or maybe just omit the white circle. To quote a little OP which emphasise my concerns " " " | |
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Only valid reason to change the colours of the ribbon is that it doesn't match the Blackguard tents in the order. Those go black-red-white and not red-white-black.
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I really dont see the problem.. is there something wrong with using our history? its not like they make nazis good or anything..
I exspect you would never play a WW2 game.. And it does not even look like it. Last edited by Anubis2108 on Feb 17, 2017, 11:10:14 AM
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