Next league, make less grindy/trade enforced challenges.

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Zrevnur wrote:

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Docbp87 wrote:

I don't know anyone that vaals jewels for the implicits...

It makes some sense for SSF to do that if one wants 'silence': Vaal best unused jewels. If its a brick => nothing lost. If not some minor (other good implicit) or major (silence, lucky rare) gain.

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Docbp87 wrote:

Also, corrupting jeweler's boxes is a terrible way to get corrupt-only jewels, if you are specifically trying to get them.

You are right at least for a SSF player. But for SSF it is only true if I want a corrupted unique Viridian. And even then it does not make the challenge efficient. I would still be better off corrupting boxes than corrupting other jewel types.
For a trading player corrupting boxes obviously beats corrupting individual jewels of a "bad" (in terms of expected trading profit) type.

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Docbp87 wrote:

There were definitely a couple of "bullshit RNG" challenges this time, but the jewels were not one. If you vaaled 100 jewels or so, and actually kept track of what you were doing, you should easily have gotten it. There are enough really common corrupt only jewels that you can get like... 8? with no effort/time at all. The problematic RNG challenges IMO were Splinters from Chayula herself, and the Warbands box. It should have been of each type, and been a lower tier challenge, and the boxes should have just been any unique box (and hell, they could have even nerfed the spawn rate of Strange Barrels, which I think I found at least 15 of this league). These were the only two real RNG challenges that I saw a lot of people having a hard time with.

I don't mind the "grindy" challenges at all. In fact, I think they are some of the best ones. The end game grinds and map tiers were some of the most legitimate "challenges" there were. Sure, the 10k tiers was easy to do with tier 11 strands or whatever, but that was still an investment in time, which is what a grind is.

The fact of the matter is that if you choose to play a hard mode (ie. refuse to trade/party/share etc.) that's on you when it prevents you from hitting your goal with challenges.

I also think some folks maybe need a reality check with regards to their challenge tier goal. If you are a super casual, a couple hours a week type of player, then go for 12. That should be reasonably easy to achieve. If you play more than that but aren't a no-lifer, then 24 is for you. If you have serious time to commit, and want to make that investment of time (and currency lol), then 36 is for those guys.

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Docbp87 wrote:

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For a trading player corrupting boxes obviously beats corrupting individual jewels of a "bad" (in terms of expected trading profit) type.

How? Corrupting boxes is a total crap shoot. You might not get any jewels. The only corrupt-only jewels that have any real value (off the top of my head) are viridian bases (Sac Harvest, Chill early on, etc.). ID'ing viridians is worth it, because you regal if good, vaal if shit, which gives you a chance of getting a decent corrupt-only.

I don't even understand why we are talking about vaaling jeweler's boxes though. That has literally nothing to do with the corrupt only challenge xD...

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Docbp87 wrote:

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Zrevnur wrote:

You misinterpreted 'Fruz's quote. I think. At least I interpreted it as "If you are lucky and dont brick it it has a chance to get a good implict from the Vaal orb". So "correct" == "has a certain amount of value".

No one would ever vaal a jewel that was already good to try to get the challenge, so that doesn't even make sense. You vaal garbage viridians to try to get Sac Harvests, not GG Viridians that you can sell on their own... I don't know anyone that vaals jewels for the implicits...

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The_Risen wrote:

Worst challenges ever made in humankind gaming existance: Corrupt jewels + chayula id.
People sell the id, ploft, challenge solved, want to do it yourself? Be prepared to spend 4ex20c each time and maybe lose everything because not a single unique drop. ROFLMFAO

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The_Risen wrote:

Worst challenges ever made in humankind gaming existance: Corrupt jewels + chayula id.
People sell the id, ploft, challenge solved, want to do it yourself? Be prepared to spend 4ex20c each time and maybe lose everything because not a single unique drop. ROFLMFAO

Well you take issue with a very different set of challenges than I do. If it's obvious that the best way to complete a particular challenge is to buy it, that's what you should do. For the corrupt jewels, the only way I see it being bad RNG-wise is if you don't buy vaal orbs. I'm pretty sure I made a profit on that challenge since there are some very valuable viridian corrupt uniques.

The challenges I don't like are the ones that require massive time investment such as the 10k map tiers, find chayula in a breach, or open a warbands strongbox.