Evasion/Dodge/Raider improvements
" Oh no, I'm the one that should be saying that, your thread came first. It was right after I posted mine that I saw this one and checked it out as threads on this matter had piqued my interest at the time. | |
" Care to elaborate ? Oo I might have been missing something about coil but ..... I mean, it's an amazing item against physical damage, and there are ways to counter shock. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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" If i understand mechanics correctly - to get shocked by wearing coil the original hit has to be so high that it would 1 shot you if you didnt have coil(assuming no other mitigation). Lets say you have 5k hp , so to get shocked you need to be dealt 500 lightning dmg. If you have 75% lightning resist to get 500 lightning dmg after resist the hit has to be 2000 lightning dmg. Because you convert 30% of physical to get 2000 lightning dmg hit the original hit would have to be 6666 physical dmg - which would kill you instantly if you didnt have Coil ( assuming no other mitigation). On top of that GGG decided that elemental dmg should get some 1 shots aswell , voletiles were a problem for a long time but in atlas new bosses have massive ele dmg , hydra,phoenix, warbands not even mentioning shaper. Thats why im arguing for Kintsugi's effect to be available elsewhere and not Coil's , "meta" shifted a bit with addition of basalt flask and nerfing of topaz/ruby/sapphire and bosses rebalance. | |
" You do realize that 5-6k hits are an avegare hits in current end game ? Or you never got there and just dont know ? I got hit with fortify + taste of hate + basalt + 3 endu charges for 8k ES while fighting no mods Chimera (nothing that boosted his dmg). How much was that before mitigation ? 14-15k ? Evasion build with 5k life would just evaporate... IGN: PojzonAbyss [3.2] Immortal Indigon Poet's Pen Hirophant - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2129766 [3.1] Yamata No Orochi - Oni-Goroshi Jugg http://poeurl.com/bHB9 [2.4] The True Queen Of The Forest - Poison LA/BR Pathfinder http://poeurl.com/M6u [Retired] Last edited by eragon1111 on Sep 27, 2016, 3:35:08 AM
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This is why I said "average hit", I don't consider the new fancy red bosses as average.
But I saw som streams having no problems against Chimera but for the bleeding dog, Ziz's stream for example ... life based, he did not die, and I dont remember him using ToH or being permanently under basalt. And Chimera dealt almost no damage to him. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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" So you saw that on stream , grats. Ziz's warchief totem is armor based so he had some physical mitigation, if he was eva/acro it would be whole different story. So stop nitpicking and create your own eva/dodge character get to t13+ maps and tell us is it fun to manually dodge every boss mechanic ( as you should and every player should) when you know that other builds can just stand there , facetank and dps all day. Before you go again with your life vs CI bullshit - armor builds can facetank certain bosses aswell when evasion is either 0 dmg or dead when you get hit. | |
" As I said, I don't consider the very end game content to be the base for balance, even tho it should matter of course. By the way, just giving a look at Ziz build right now .... 708 armour from gear. Inc armour from the tree ? Not really So much for an armour character to facetank bosses, nice physical mitigation against bosses, GG. And the unique granite that he is using is also ( I would guess mostly ) for the more phys dmg. SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading. Last edited by Fruz on Sep 27, 2016, 4:59:48 AM
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" I guess dots between sentenses are too hard to understand i didnt mean ziz was facetanking bosses - guess what , totem builds dont have to do that ... suppose we can divert more from evasion topic and talk how ppl have done atziri with EB + CI 1 hp builds | |
No, you did say that he had some physical mitigation from armour which is not true if the hits are just a bit strong.
And you also said that it would have been a different story if actor. you are wrong. Even if totem, he does take some hit, saying that defense matters is irrelevant is putting a lot of bad faith .... SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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" no , you are wrong. " no idea what you said there. Keep your life vs CI bullshit out of this thread you're just spamming at this point - go watch some streamers instead. |