Reduce drastically or eliminate completely the exp lose on death

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

What I'd rather see:
* Standard: lose some durability on gear you have equipped. Durability cannot be repaired and items with zero durability self-delete. But items have LOTS of durability, so you have to really suck to lose items. No XP or stash penalty.
* Legacy (replaces Hardcore): lose all XP. Character revived on Normal Twilight Stand, level 1, quests reset, but still wearing all gear at time of death. Can refuse to revive to maintain ladder standing; lost if revived to reclaim gear. No item transference to other leagues. No stash penalty.

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frenrihr wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

fun observation:

the same people post in 'penalty for dying hurts me' and in 'lab is bad'. let me guess why



on topic: death penalty is the only way this game can say 'your build and/or your playstyle sucks, fix that'
you can take this hint and improve or moan on forums. your choice.

There you go boys, the "pro" just came to tell us that we should all roll the same retarded FOTM build that is not fun but will carry you through the contet.

Get lost.

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sidtherat wrote:

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frenrihr wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

fun observation:

the same people post in 'penalty for dying hurts me' and in 'lab is bad'. let me guess why



on topic: death penalty is the only way this game can say 'your build and/or your playstyle sucks, fix that'
you can take this hint and improve or moan on forums. your choice.

There you go boys, the "pro" just came to tell us that we should all roll the same retarded FOTM build that is not fun but will carry you through the contet.

Get lost.

youve managed to get to lvl 70 after 3.5 years. let this sink in.

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GeorgAnatoly wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

What I'd rather see:
* Standard: lose some durability on gear you have equipped. Durability cannot be repaired and items with zero durability self-delete. But items have LOTS of durability, so you have to really suck to lose items. No XP or stash penalty.
* Legacy (replaces Hardcore): lose all XP. Character revived on Normal Twilight Stand, level 1, quests reset, but still wearing all gear at time of death. Can refuse to revive to maintain ladder standing; lost if revived to reclaim gear. No item transference to other leagues. No stash penalty.

Those are actually pretty good suggestions.

I'd say legacy characters should have a few pieces of gear destroyed at random on death, maybe randomly from 1 item up to half of what was equipped, and some kind of visual indicator of how many times they've died - maybe they look significantly more sickly and weak after each revival.

Other than that these suggestions would be an improvement over what we have now. It would give death far more league appropriate meaning.

Edit: I also really like not calling the hardcore league 'hardcore'. Giving it a name other than 'hardcore' reduces the implied themed limitations the league should have.

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sidtherat wrote:

fun observation:

the same people post in 'penalty for dying hurts me' and in 'lab is bad'. let me guess why

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Vhlad wrote:

There's nothing wrong with the build of an upper 90 who tanks shaper and chain farms T16s, but may die once in 12 hours and wipe their entire progression during that time. The game simply becomes unfun and fatiguing, which is probably why you haven't bothered to reach those high levels yourself.

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sidtherat wrote:

and i wasnt addressing you nor 'getting to lvl100' issue from good players. check who created this thread. check who chimed in. people in their 60-70, who never really faced something you described. their builds have to be ASTONISHINGLY BAD for dying penalty to matter when lvl 70. they want this penalty to go instead of them getting better. and this is an attitude that triggers me badly.
bad people should be told they are bad and that they should get to work and get better.

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Vhlad wrote:

Players asking for a harsher death penalty on standard: no characters above level 90, no hardcore characters. Seems legit.


Combined with the ramped up XP gain penalty at levels 95+, it has become a really unenjoyable experience mapping at those high levels.

Losing 10% becomes very significant, you lose over a full day of playtime when you die.

You have to play in a constant state of tension/awareness and it's so fatiguing because the majority of the content is just not difficult / engaging. It's a game designed to be played while watching TV with occasional RNG-based difficulty spikes that make you pay attention sometimes. Paying attention sometimes doesn't mesh with such a severe penalty.

The market for players who want a 10+ hour death penalty, but who don't want to play hardcore, is miniscule. The current design for high level players on standard makes no business sense.

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sidtherat wrote:

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Vhlad wrote:

There's nothing wrong with the build of an upper 90 who tanks shaper and chain farms T16s, but may die once in 12 hours and wipe their entire progression during that time. The game simply becomes unfun and fatiguing, which is probably why you haven't bothered to reach those high levels yourself.

sure. but you know why i do not bother with that? because lvl 100 is just a random number GGG used never considering there will be people stubborn enough to get there. but power of 'completionism' is strong with us and people are actually getting there. i miss old beta days when it took MONTHS to get there.

for me game ends at 90 when leveling is considered. any level above that is a coincidential bonus i get while playing a character i like. when i get bored with a character - i start another one and try to polish it

right now im perfecting my hierphant triple flame totem hybrid life/es/mom and ill consider it 'ok' if i get from 90 to 91 without a single death. but this is sport i created for myself.


and i wasnt addressing you nor 'getting to lvl100' issue from good players. check who created this thread. check who chimed in. people in their 60-70, who never really faced something you described. their builds have to be ASTONISHINGLY BAD for dying penalty to matter when lvl 70. they want this penalty to go instead of them getting better. and this is an attitude that triggers me badly.
bad people should be told they are bad and that they should get to work and get better. carebear parenting destroys societies and civilizations as a whole..