Wow, Doryani's is GOOD

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I can easily attempt any end-game I want. Be it Atziri, Uber Atziri, Uber Izaro (who is a cakewalk), T15 maps, or anything else. Whether I'll survive has nothing to do with LC.

Someone who actually thinks atziri or lab is end game.
Please post videos of you doing t12-t14 maps at meta speeds.

Let's see those level 94+ characters you've been leveling with kintsugi, greed's embrace, incandescent heart, lioneye's vision, kingsguard, cherubim's.

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Greed's Embrace, Kaom's Heart, Lioneye's Vision, Cospri's Will, Shavronne's Wrappings (which isn't pure ES), Chrrubim's Maleficence, Incandescent Heart, and Kingsguard prove you wrong. Especially the bolded ones.

Shavronne's Wrappings isnt a pure ES chest?

None of those items are splash-able defensive options other than koam's heart which still loses to coil in many situations. You've proven nothing except list some terrible unique chests that have little or no defensive value or were ES to begin with.

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Here is why people should not listen to you. You go and tell someone they need to start with their offense in order to do something. When you max out life and regen, you generally don't have much to spend on offense, so you can't pick any skill.

And now you come here and try an even wilder claim?

Let me tear you apart and embarass you in front of everyone, as I've done with so many before.

The arrogance and stupidity of your remarks is astounding considering you have nothing to back it up.

A thread where you tell a questioning player he should design his build around life regen instead of his main skill. Thanks for the data point. I bet hes going to feel great with all that life regen and wildstrike linked to added chaos damage.

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adghar wrote:

(if you can afford 20/20 shouldn't you be able to afford a LC easily?)

20/20 costs 1 gcp. (And a bit of time.) :P

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Nephalim wrote:

Anyone who says lightning coil is not the optimal chest piece for basically any not pure ES build is wrong and anything advice they give henceforth should ideally be ignored. I have never been shocked from the converted damage but that' probably because I use flasks to increase my resistance to the only dangerous element in the game: lightning.

If you're talking about status effects, cold damage is pretty dangerous too.

If you're talking about damage, many of the highest damage attacks tend to be fire.

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dudiobugtron wrote:

20/20 costs 1 gcp. (And a bit of time.) :P

Way too much time, to be exact! Last time I checked, market value of 20/20 "meta" gems was 1 exalted orb. But the last time I checked was a long, long time ago. Maybe there has been an increased supply of 20/20 from people using the 1 gcp recipe you alluded to, and/or Talisman, and/or Prophecy. And maybe some other market things too. I honestly haven't checked!

Also, a couple of things that I forgot to address!

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Natharias wrote:

This is so wrong.

First off, Fortify works at 20% reduction against all attack damage, not 22.5% and not against just physical. Tie this in with LC and you have more than enough attack physical mitigation, but not enough for spells.

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adghar wrote:

about 22.5%

I'm not sure how an estimate ("about") can be "so wrong"! But whatever floats one's boat.

Also,

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adghar wrote:

was considered massively overpowered, and before other ascendancies were buffed

before the patch, Champion's Fortify path had "increased Fortify Effect," I believe in the amount of 15%, which would have brought Fortify's mitigation to 23%.

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As to BotB, why get only 30% increased maximum life when you can double your leech rate with the same type of item, Cherrubim's Maleficence? I'd rather double my leech rate than get a tiny bit of extra life.

If you need that life for taking the hit, why are you using such a weak item compared to other options? Even LC would greatly surpass BotB, by far, at least as far as physical goes. If you need extra elemental mitigation, there are options for dealing with that much more effectively.

I compared with BotB because I thought it was a popular defensive chest! I don't keep up with the crowds that often so I don't know if it's fallen out of favour now.

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adghar wrote:

That assumes a pure physical hit. What about a 50% physical, 50% lightning? Or perhaps physical enemies that deal 3k damage but are in a map with, say, 80% damage added as lightning? That's 25% of 3k and another 80%.

Duration scales linearly in proportion with maximum Life, which is a bunch of fancy mess words used to say, the LC decision doesn't have much to do with other lightning damage sources coming into play. If it were 50/50 phys/lightning, then you probably would have been Shocked regardless, and LC would cause the duration to be 0.15 seconds longer.

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Natharias wrote:

Shock, keyword, "IS" a threat. I never said how prominent or rare a threat it is. But it is something that must be brought up.

I completely agree with this. Just pointing out that the impact is relatively small, something that Vipermagi perhaps phrased better.

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adghar wrote:

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Natharias wrote:

Though, I haven't come across an instance a strongbox shocks.

Casts Lightning Storm will add shocked ground to any spot where the lightning hits

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Natharias wrote:

Which is why I will post. Because those streamers are wrong and I'm right.

I think you misinterpreted Nephalim here. Based on Nephalim's phrasing and some second hand information I got, streamers say Kintsugi is an amazing defense. Which means, in this context, it makes no sense to say that they're wrong and you're right because you and they have exactly the same opinion.

I've never noticed there being shocked ground after a strongbox lightning storm. But then again, I'm busy screen clearing and shock is never an issue for me.

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Nephalim wrote:

Someone who actually thinks atziri or lab is end game.
Please post videos of you doing t12-t14 maps at meta speeds.

Atziri and Lab are end game. End game is where the final stuff is. The same goes with T15 maps.

Unfortunately, I'm not capable of posting videos since all I have is my Surface. My computer died about two weeks ago, and I've been busy working so I haven't gotten around to building a new system. But I bet you'll use that reason to attempt to attack me.

But fret not, I do have three videos up pertaining to PoE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdRZHM93a4M&index=1&list=PLrPZ-gTAZqvOqQQbIbJxHYnfyyhQ-3L0e

Cybil's Paw is still good. Even though it was from a long time ago the build itself is still valid. I forget if I showed my tooltip DPS, but I'm fairly certain that was when it was around 20-25k.

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Nephalim wrote:

Let's see those level 94+ characters you've been leveling with kintsugi, greed's embrace, incandescent heart, lioneye's vision, kingsguard, cherubim's.

I wish I had level 90 characters. It'd be very nice. I also wish I had those chest pieces. That'd also be nice.

But my having them doesn't mean anything, does it?

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Nephalim wrote:

Shavronne's Wrappings isnt a pure ES chest?

What was it you said? Ah:

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Nephalim wrote:

Anyone who says lightning coil is not the optimal chest piece for basically any not pure ES build is wrong and anything advice they give henceforth should ideally be ignored.

I would say LC is fucking suicide for a low-life build. That alone isn't "basically any" non-CI build, but it's a prime example.

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Nephalim wrote:

None of those items are splash-able defensive options other than koam's heart which still loses to coil in many situations. You've proven nothing except list some terrible unique chests that have little or no defensive value or were ES to begin with.

Yet their properties say otherwise. I also fail to see why you use the term "splash-able", however you would mean it.

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Nephalim wrote:

The arrogance and stupidity of your remarks is astounding considering you have nothing to back it up.

I've proven you wrong at multiple points, and pointed it out from another thread, since you seem so hellbent on attacking me. You're only embarrassing yourself more and more.

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Nephalim wrote:

A thread where you tell a questioning player he should design his build around life regen instead of his main skill. Thanks for the data point. I bet hes going to feel great with all that life regen and wildstrike linked to added chaos damage.

Get it right, especially when it's available for everyone to see. The fact is I told him he should design around what he enjoys, not what someone tells him to do.

He wanted something that was heavy life and high regen. If he picks just any attack, as you would have had him do, he might not have half of the DPS of a skill I would have suggested to him after building him a passive tree with life and regeneration.

You were going to completely fuck him over. I wasn't.

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Vipermagi wrote:

"Immortal Call requires only four sockets to get working without any more investment. With a level 20 Increased Duration gem, self-casting IC, and having three e-charges, you can easily keep it up 100% of the time. Without passive investment." -Natharias

"With 3 charges, you'll get a duration of 2.58 seconds. Cooldown is 3 seconds for IC. [..]Against any other content, maintaining charges shouldn't be an issue. Enduring Cry, Warlord's Mark, etc. But bosses is where it becomes problematic. Especially bosses where adds come in only now and then or not at all." -Natharias

These two statements can't both be accurate, is all I'm pointing out there. Your second post clearly shows that permanent Immortal Call is not possible with "only" four sockets and no further investment, especially in situations where it matters most (exception being the Juggernaut).

So I did, but IC is still a superior option.

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Vipermagi wrote:

Speaking from experience: hardly. Only the rare Hits that take off more than 65% of your Life can Shock you, and that is assuming baseline Resists. You can also be Shock immune. Welp.

When I ran Lightning Coil, my go-to panic Flask was Seething/Panicked of Grounding. It doesn't give immunity, but if a single Hit is strong enough to Shock, the Flask will immediately clear it. Also went with a Stibnite of Grounding at one point, because those are permanent anyways. That was real neat too.
Fairgraves' Tricorne is also somewhat popular, but I don't like it stat-wise, personally. Looks neat though.

Yes, but that's taking an item that could be helping your build in a better way. Life or ES, resistances, etc.

I had initially planned on just using a Sybil's Lament ring, but realized that other gear choices made it more difficult to get the required intelligence for Mjolner. I know all too well that rare items are far more valuable.

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dubiobugtron wrote:

20/20 costs 1 gcp. (And a bit of time.) :P

Less than that, if you know what you're doing. More than that, if you don't.

But hey, what do I know?

There you go folks, face tanking A4 mobs like a boss and proving to world how much you know about end game poe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdRZHM93a4M&index=1&list=PLrPZ-gTAZqvOqQQbIbJxHYnfyyhQ-3L0

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I've proven you wrong at multiple points, and pointed it out from another thread, since you seem so hellbent on attacking me. You're only embarrassing yourself more and more.

You are either 14 or actually this stubborn and ignorant.

There is literally no one in this entire thread that has agreed with you, even the people who you seem to worship have flat out denied your points.

Please show me where you have proven that coil is not the best fucking chestpiece in the game for the vast majority of non pure ES builds and that you have any clue what end game poe even look's like. Until then keep prodding along with your level 79 3500 life kintsugi characters in t2 maps.

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I would say LC is fucking suicide for a low-life build. That alone isn't "basically any" non-CI build, but it's a prime example.

I don't even know where to begin. Are you doing low life builds with a fucking lorica which is already a chest slot? Low life = shavs for all intent and purposes.

Why the hell would you use LC with a low life build when the requirement for a low life is shavs.

Not only are your posts idiotic but you are literally ruining legitimate new players experiences who are trying to understand the game and have at least some desire to make it past level 79 with your chaos resist low life builds and kintsugi end game delusions.

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Natharias wrote:

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dubiobugtron wrote:

20/20 costs 1 gcp. (And a bit of time.) :P

Less than that, if you know what you're doing. More than that, if you don't.

How the hell does one get a 20/20 Increased Duration for less than 1 gcp + time to level from gem level 1 to 20? Is Gemcutter's Promise droprate really that high? You're farming in Ebony Barracks, I presume, since buying Maps for the card would probably cost more than 1 gcp?

Or is there some third secret option I'm totally unaware of???

This is the stuff I badly want to know!

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Nephalim wrote:

You are either 14 or actually this stubborn and ignorant.

This website may be of some use to you!

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Natharias wrote:

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666lol666 wrote:

And as you proofed in this and many other threads they are damn right!

I'd love to see where. Except I haven't.

Ok, let us see what we got here in this thread:

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Immortal Call requires only four sockets to get working without any more investment. With a level 20 Increased Duration gem, self-casting IC, and having three e-charges, you can easily keep it up 100% of the time. Without passive investment.

Ok, the above statement is just not true!
You have to admit this yourself a few posts later:

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With 3 charges, you'll get a duration of 2.58 seconds. Cooldown is 3 seconds for IC. That half second of downtime isn't the issue. The issue is getting three charges.

That statement is again as wrong as can be. You say that half second isn't the issue but in reality this means you are without protection for 12,5% of your time even when you get all the charges all the time. That means you are dead meat walking!
But enough of this IC thing let's see another jewel from this quality thread:

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I've never had a DPS higher than like 25k or so.

So you really want to argue with people about mechanics while you were never able to get more than 25k dps as a standard player that joined 2013? Really?

And please don't let us forget that you are the one guy that wasn't even able to kill normal atziri with a incinerator back in the good old shotgunning days:

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I quite literally had a build that shat on EVERYTHING. I would ignore enemies and run right to a strongbox and open it, no ID or flasks, and AFK it. I'd come back and the screen is clear. I'd facetank bearers with only 75% resistances. I'd facetank just about any content there is in maps and vaal side areas. But I took that same Cybil's Paw build into the Apex of Sacrifice (the lower level version), and died to the trash there.

My character had about 5.1-5.5k life and about 20k DPS when I attempted the Apex. 75% resistances, Arctic Armor, but no other significant defenses. I RIPped on the first volley of attacks.

Oh, and mind you I did this twice. Once when I was still using a shotgunning GMP Incinerate, so my total potential DPS was around 110k before maximum Incinerate stage. I tried it again shortly after with some increased life and using a shield for some block chance and RIPped just as quickly.

Priceless, just priceless! ;o)

After all I'd like to give you only one advice. Call me and/or 99% of the playerbase noobs without a clue no problem but NEVER try to argue with vipermagi about mechanics. This guy knows probably more about poe's mechanics than most of GGG's team, just saying.

Just one thing about LC that is often misinterpreted. The only scenario where LC has a synergy with armour if you manage to get 90% phys reduction (with Lightning Coil) and more than 90% lightning res, because in that scenario it sets your phys reduction cap higher (Up to 95% phys reduction with Legacy Coil and 100% lightning res). In all other cases a lightning coil reduced the reduction of your armour. Because of that Lightning Coil also is a bit less than 22.5% phys reduction at 75% lightning res. The 22.5% are only correct if you have NO phys reduction at all.

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adghar wrote:

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Natharias wrote:

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dubiobugtron wrote:

20/20 costs 1 gcp. (And a bit of time.) :P

Less than that, if you know what you're doing. More than that, if you don't.

How the hell does one get a 20/20 Increased Duration for less than 1 gcp + time to level from gem level 1 to 20? Is Gemcutter's Promise droprate really that high? You're farming in Ebony Barracks, I presume, since buying Maps for the card would probably cost more than 1 gcp?

Or is there some third secret option I'm totally unaware of???

This is the stuff I badly want to know!

It won't deterministically give you what you want, but I tend to roll gemcutters stronboxes with either quality or experience in case I get one of the three E's. I have occasionally been graced with other useful gems also, or fodder for the vendor recipe.