Martial law in Turkey - possible Coup

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NeroNoah wrote:

The west is at best, indirectly responsible for sunni terrorists (law of unintended consequences and all that).

It's responsible for arming / training some minor groups, for turning a blind eye on Saudi, Qatar & Turkey arming jihadist / terror groups and for giving political legitimacy to this whole rebellion.

Some results of this mess are really hilarious and outline how incompetent is the Obama admin.:

Fighting Between the Pentagon- and CIA-Backed Militias Portrays a Chaotic U.S. Foreign Policy

(no it's not a The Onion article ;)

We know saudies are behind a lot of extremism, but I'm not sure what's the alternative (they tend to fuck the world because of oil dependence; moving to other sources of energy so they get less leverage would be great).

How independent the CIA and the Pentagon are from the executive branch by the way? (I mean, before blaming Obama, although I'm pretty sure he screwed up with the drone stuff, so not a really good foreign policy). Those two have always fucked up something.

Germanistan 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QPCdsL3gug

It's a pro Erdogan demonstration after the (pseudo)coup.

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NeroNoah wrote:

How independent the CIA and the Pentagon are from the executive branch by the way?

It depends on how strong willed the President is, how strong willed the leaders of the FBI/CIA/NSA/Pentagon are, and to a lesser extent who is a Rep/Dem.

Someone like Obama would have had no hope of reigning in people like Allen Dulles or J Edgar Hoover.

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NeroNoah wrote:

The west is at worst, indirectly responsible for sunni terrorists (law of unintended consequences and all that). Being trigger happy and caring too much about communists has that effect. And OIL.

Very much so. Not just Communism we enabled whabbism for either. Arab Nationalism, sufism, democracy movements like 1949 syria coup, etc. We backed al-saud ruthless bandits since day 1 against all those moderate forces around them who would have crushed them like a bug a long time ago (most recently 1991 gulf war against Saddam). Armed and train thier mujaheddin. Allowed them to proselytize everywhere. So basically whabbism is becoming islam

Obama sold that vile regime 130 billion in arms. More than everyone spends besides Russia and China and US. World is upside down mainly due to 70 years of US policy. Before us the brits. Watch Lawrence of Arabia against turks and see who's side they were on.

lmao Not a staged coup, obviously!!

"Turkey government seemed to have list of arrests prepared: EU's Hahn"

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-eu-hahn-idUSKCN0ZY0EA?il=0

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NeroNoah wrote:

The west is at worst, indirectly responsible for sunni terrorists (law of unintended consequences and all that). Being trigger happy and caring too much about communists has that effect. And OIL.

Allowing, or even fostering terrorism like ISIS may have been the lesser of two evils (on paper anyways) when long term strategies were being drawn up. I'm not saying I agree with the approach, but wide spread destabilization may have been facilitated as the only workable plan to delay nuclear proliferation. Again, I'm not suggesting this was a wise course of action, but there are strategic documents where there are very few options outlined, and this was one of them.

If so, the question becomes, what did the US offer Russia and China for their silent complicity for this broad scope of actions?

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Aim_Deep wrote:

lmao Not a staged coup, obviously!!

"Turkey government seemed to have list of arrests prepared: EU's Hahn"

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-eu-hahn-idUSKCN0ZY0EA?il=0

Arrests dont mean it wasnt staged. I can tell you to rob my own bank and get you arrested and bust you out later through middle men payments.

Sure ignore all the other evidence.
-Like Erdogoon sinking on recent polls
-Are we really to believe NATO's 2nd-biggest military mustered...about a battalion? And coup leaders logically thought success could result? Give me a break!
-Actors didnt have Erdogan in possession or marked and assailable before attempt like almost any coup on planet so leader cant rally troops.
-Ignore Erdgoon being caugt on tape planning other false flags.
-Ignore the self admitted love for Hitler and his caricature and actions as a dictator through and through.

This is Reichstag's 2.0 even Erdogoon's actions post coup prove it.