skill tree question-avatar of "ice?"

is there no equivalent to the "avatar of fire?" like an avatar of ice? because so far i was not able to find it (might be far away from where i am through...)

and if there is none- i skilled as much as i can in ice damage and lightening- would it be wise for me to take the avatar of fire- because i'm wondering if my ice damage gets fully converted into fire damage, or only the damage of the gem+weapon

thanks for helping
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There is no Avatar of Ice, no. Nor is there a Lightning one, for that matter.

Avatar of Fire will convert 50% of all of your non-fire damage into fire damage. The other 50% does nothing.

Do you have an example character (tree, gear) that I can look at for reference? Based on your description, Avatar of Fire is probably not worth it for you, but I can confirm if you can provide more detail.
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Avatar of Fire is the only one that can exist because of the conversion order (Physical > Lightning > Cold > Fire > Chaos). It's impossible to convert fire damage to cold or lightning, for example. You could have an Avatar of Chaos, I suppose, but it would be very hard to balance.

Avatar of Fire will convert all sources of damage (except damage over time), but remember that it only converts 50% and the rest is lost entirely as it prevents you from dealing non-fire damage. It is almost exclusively used with something that converts the other 50% (e.g. the Cold to Fire gem), so you don't lose damage.
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thanks for the help
and now this skill does not pay for me- i'm already a frost and lightening walker and well on my way to heart of thunder and heart of ice - i was just thinking if it wuld make any sort of sense for me to go there but no it doesnt because i have no fire skills
so thanks for helping with that decision
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viperesque wrote:
Avatar of Fire is the only one that can exist because of the conversion order (Physical > Lightning > Cold > Fire > Chaos). It's impossible to convert fire damage to cold or lightning, for example. You could have an Avatar of Chaos, I suppose, but it would be very hard to balance.

Avatar of Fire will convert all sources of damage (except damage over time), but remember that it only converts 50% and the rest is lost entirely as it prevents you from dealing non-fire damage. It is almost exclusively used with something that converts the other 50% (e.g. the Cold to Fire gem), so you don't lose damage.
I think the fact that fire isn't the last element in conversion chain shows exactly the opposite - that there could have been ice/lightning versions. Ultimately, you can make 0-damage AoF character with damage base being full-fire even now, if you have 2 legacy CD and the Mantle.
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viperesque wrote:
Avatar of Fire is the only one that can exist because of the conversion order (Physical > Lightning > Cold > Fire > Chaos). It's impossible to convert fire damage to cold or lightning, for example. You could have an Avatar of Chaos, I suppose, but it would be very hard to balance.


Would it really be that hard to balance, though? Just make it 25% conversion and then the only way to not have a damage nerf (in a league) is to also run infernal mantle and consuming dark x 2. That sounds pretty balanced to me, especially with VMS nerfed.
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silumit wrote:
I think the fact that fire isn't the last element in conversion chain shows exactly the opposite - that there could have been ice/lightning versions. Ultimately, you can make 0-damage AoF character with damage base being full-fire even now, if you have 2 legacy CD and the Mantle.

Avatar of Lightning can only be "convert Physical to Lightning, deal no non-Lightning Damage", which sucks a whole lot for a Keystone Passive.
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Vipermagi wrote:
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silumit wrote:
I think the fact that fire isn't the last element in conversion chain shows exactly the opposite - that there could have been ice/lightning versions. Ultimately, you can make 0-damage AoF character with damage base being full-fire even now, if you have 2 legacy CD and the Mantle.

Avatar of Lightning can only be "convert Physical to Lightning, deal no non-Lightning Damage", which sucks a whole lot for a Keystone Passive.

That sounds to me like it awesomes a whole lot. Phys to lightning + avatar of lightning = 100% lightning for any phys skill.
Face it, all of your suggestions are worse than this idea:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/657756
No Hatred, no Added Fire, nothing that grants Chaos Damage, Oro's deals literally no Damage, every Cold/Fire Conversion Skill is entirely useless, it only works for Physical Spells and nothing else... It's incredibly limited. A Keystone that does precisely two things, namely PTL and 50% Phys-to-Lightning Skills, sucks.
I guess you're right. It's still pretty build-enabling though. So probably it would make a better unique than a keystone.

Although I think avatar of fire suffers from the same sort of issues. For physical conversion, you basically need a phys-fire skill already, or use blackgleam quiver. For converting cold or lightning you are force to use pyre or cold-fire. I think it's also a bit too specific to be a really good keystone.
Face it, all of your suggestions are worse than this idea:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/657756
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