Remove 6 link divination cards

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Mannoth wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

Shouldnt it be achievable for anyone? No, getting to maps in a day or 2 isnt achievable by anyone, anyone capable of that is capable of getting a 6 link within a week or so.

This is such bullshit and you know it.
It takes me ~7 hours to reach merciless dried lake and around ~10 before I start mapping if i go all tryhard without afking.
Gathering 1500 fuses? Yeah good fucking luck with that in a temp league unless you trade like a madman. I will rather play the game than economy simulator 2016.

Because leveling fast is based on skill and getting a 6L is based on luck or your trade skills, or dumb luck, not skill.

Give harder content and nerf the damage output of skills but cutting down 6L availability on rare items is beyond dumb imo. Gating a game selling point behind a RNG wall on the excuse that it should be hard and luxury when it has no corelation to game difficulty (you said it yourself the game content can be done with a 5L) is not really a good proposition.

If you want a harder game then make harder content, do not gate core mechanics behind RNG walls.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

Its true that I am a somewhat wealthy player, not rly by standards terms honestly but I have more than most we can maybe say. Im in a fairly gg guild and we have our fun, for sure.

but I am also someone whos gone as far as writing guides on how run solo, self found, hardcore melee builds into maps. Ive played many characters solo self found in hardcore. I know what it is to start with nothing and have no outside help in brutal conditions like beyond.

I understand what its like for new players. I remember being a new player, and not having all the things, and being glad I didnt have all the things because only a bullshit child pandering game with no future would give a noob like me all the things.

and then I learnt how to play, we all lived happily ever after and jack had a wonderful feeling of satisfaction having managed something that actually took some real effort unlike the shallow little medal for everyone handouts of blizzard style games.

You know its true, in your heart, beneath that voice that so wants the things where you get all the stuffs to come true, theres another little voice that knows spoiling the children does not make for productive, happy, well adjusted adults. We all have that little Veruca Salt on our shoulder, I want it now now now NOW NOW!!!! But we have to keep an eye on a sustainable future for the game, we have to make sure 3 years and 10k hours play time from now that noob you just gave a 6 link too still has a reason to play the game, still has tons of gear to chase.

If you rob players of progression time, you rob them of the game, you take away the time the game has to offer them, the gradients it presents the player to climb and feel high on top of. What I see more than anything is experienced players telling me new players need 6 links and thats why its great theyre trivial to get now. I kind of feel like you guys want the 6 links, not these solo self found noobs that get wheeled out like some sort of pity parade.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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davidnn5 wrote:

Next question is if you can get to maps within a day or two, why shouldn't a 6-link be achievable in a week?

it is achievable in a week, without the cards.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

Shouldnt it be achievable for anyone? No, getting to maps in a day or 2 isnt achievable by anyone, anyone capable of that is capable of getting a 6 link within a week or so. No everyone should not be given the best gear for simply turning up and playing, this is a stupid idea and I will not even humor debating something so ridiculously basic.

I get it, you want everything to be easier because the game has trained you to want want want want want want, yeah, we all want, but some of us are perceptive enough to see that getting everything we want right now is not a long term plan for a healthy game.

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davidnn5 wrote:

No, it's achievable within a week without cards for 3-5% of the playerbase. We went over this in trade 101 (i.e. my earlier posts about how the game screws over most players in favour of the few if there's no deterministic systems). If none of that makes sense to the reader, please google 'zero sum game'. That's what trading is. Or just look at the front of the plane next time you're flying and wonder why business class get such awesome shit. Same thing.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

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Vias_Myton wrote:

Lets look at this problem from the bottom side.

80c is a trivial amount? 3 ex is a trivial amount? I made 7 ex in the entire Perandus league.

1500 fusings can be farmed in one week? Lets calculate how long I need for 1500 fusings at my current farmspeed: 3 days of Elreon daily yield 60 jews (plus some alterations at the normal vendor) which can be traded to Vorici for 20 fusings. I need to use Vorici 75 times, thus I end up at 215 days for a guaranteed 6 link. Count in the days I wont play the game, I will get a six link in about 7 to 8 months.

Are 7 to 8 months of playing a game too less to deserve a gameplay aspect?

well it depends, are we talking 7 or 8 months farming with your 6 link belly of the beast character in perandus or your 6L carcass jack character in standard?

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Mannoth wrote:

That is exactly the reason why Divination Cards have been introduced, to provide deterministic way for people who don't want to trade get the items they want.
They failed on balancing the card drop rates (low level unique cards should drop like candy imo), and some endgame cards.

Imo if you feel like they are destroying the economy, wouldn't a better solution be that some cards are untradeable? So that you don't ruin the game for the people who do not like trading and that they can work towards gathering their gear through progression of playing.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

If you rob players of progression time, you rob them of the game, you take away the time the game has to offer them, the gradients it presents the player to climb and feel high on top of. What I see more than anything is experienced players telling me new players need 6 links and thats why its great theyre trivial to get now. I kind of feel like you guys want the 6 links, not these solo self found noobs that get wheeled out like some sort of pity parade.