A thread for stupid things to say which sound really smart
I still love The Fountainhead. The evil of Atlas Shrugged can be rather eloquently demonstrated by reading the chapters in reverse order, Momento-style (which I recommend, providing The Fountainhead has been read first for context.)
Ayn Rand is the Anakin Skywalker to my Ben Kenobi. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB on May 7, 2016, 10:24:30 PM
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^to be fair, what I know about Rand is mostly thanks to Bioshock and a few articles, so it's mostly popular culture. I don't read a lot of literature (although I read a lot of scientific and technical stuff). She has a lot of shock phrases, though. Her definition of selfishness and altruism is trolling.
Add a Forsaken Masters questline https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2297942 Last edited by NeroNoah on May 7, 2016, 10:30:27 PM
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Well, I'm pretty sure Andrew Ryan was like Anakin Skywalker to many of Rapture's citizens as well. I do think the first BioShock would have been an even more interesting story is they had painted "early Ryan" in a more heroic light, serving both as homage to the real-life inspiration and to make his descent all the more tragic.
I think the biggest mistake popular media makes with Rand is ignoring the chronology of her work, because there is a colossal paradigm shift in her work over time. What I don't feel popular culture gets very wrong is the endstate. (Interestingly, the odd bit of later stuff, a short essay here and there, avoids corruption, so it's not uniformly bad later. Just mostly.) Also very interesting is Nathaniel Brandon's memoir of his relations with her. Unfortunately, he first met her after the publication of The Fountainhead and can only give insight into her life during and after the process of writing Atlas Shrugged. Edit: I have mixed feelings on the whole "selfishness" thing. I do think there was a huge linguistic problem with the use of the word "self" in such a derogatory term as "selfish," doubled by the abasement of self in the term "selfless." While Rand was trying to single-handedly rewrite the dictionary, psychologist Nathaniel Brandon (that name again!) took the path of less resistance and coined the term "self-esteem" which we now see fucking everywhere and has, for the most part, solved the problem. I kind of admire Rand's tenacity in her fight to glorify the self, but ultimately Brandon's solution makes hers look like immature petulance. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB on May 7, 2016, 10:55:42 PM
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" I disagree. Andrew Ryan is a tragic hero somewhat. He ended doing what he did because he ended with the same problems that in the surface. What he didn't understand is how his ideology created the conditions needed for that in first place (clash of dictators with the lack of a public government, as you described elsewhere). Yet you get the impression he wanted a better place than the surface. " I prefer the term rational self interest when one refers to economy. What I understand is that it's a very needed motivator, but under some conditions can screw the whole system, so one has to bring some balance somehow. Then again, humanity can't really have a consensus about that fact. Add a Forsaken Masters questline https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2297942 Last edited by NeroNoah on May 7, 2016, 10:53:35 PM
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I also feel it's important to read Rand's novels under the context that the term "self-esteem" did not yet exist. That's essentially the concept she's struggling to name.
Re: economics. I don't think it was wise for Atlas Shrugged, or any of her later work, to really focus on that so much. The core of the ethics she was promoting kind of naturally leads to very libertarian politics, so it's no surprise she'd advocate laissez-faire, but 1. Atlas Shrugged betrays those ethics anyway (the ethics become contradictory and incoherent) and 2. it's pretty distant from the main things she had to say in The Fountainhead anyway. Making a big stink about the term "self" was far more relevant. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB on May 7, 2016, 11:05:25 PM
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Some of the negative reviews of Atlas Shrugged on Goodreads are amazing.
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Intersectionality is an integral part of identity politics
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I vote we merge this thread with the Donald Trump thread or at least swap the titles.
"Withdrawing in disgust is not the same as apathy"
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