[Feedback] RNG should leave (29.04.2016 UPDATE)

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I sense nothing but entitlement mentality in your argument.

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Mannoth wrote:

If people are gonna argue RNG is the only thing making the game hard then they need to realize that is a bad thing to begin with.

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TreeOfDead wrote:

RNG in PoE one of the worst type of RNG, close to Chinese MMO or even worse.

Corrupted today x15 3lvl Empower, x12 Explosive Arrow, x3 Increased Burning Damage and few mixed 20/20 gems and got 1 21/20 gem, zero 4lvl empower, many lost level, lost quality, other just corrupted with no changes. <= That was today.   Wasted 4000+ Fusing, stopped roll maps while leveled to 100 as it never work, Corrupted x34 T13 maps and no Vaal Temple, wasted so many orbs trying to craft some gear, never seen T1 unique drop for 4 years even tho i play a lot and has few MF char, and more happens to my char on that league. I claymed it to

RNG one of the worst, bad and unfair thing PoE has.
PoE heavily based on RNG and this should be changed.

6 linking = RNG, 6 Socket = RNG, 5 linking = RNG, 21/20 = RNG, "craft" in PoE = super RNG, drop = RNG, everything based and orienteered on RNG.
And this make HUGE gap between "lucky" or more like manually fixed by GGG or GM and "unlucky" also fixed by GGG or GM. This is not fun or interested in any case: you farm few months to "craft" and if you "unlucky" you just wasted for nothing there months, want to 6 link your main item and was "unlucky" you lost that build and end up as bankrupt, you want vaal your empower and level tonnes of them with "unluck" mode made by GGG or GM you lost your time for no reason.

RNG absolute in PoE and the best would be if RNG leave or at least nerfed. We still have no real craft, no real use for orbs that just feed no purposely but pure RNG and we got tonnes useless mods that add nothing but make harder roll/craft everything, no progress but RNG bullshit that only make some "lucky" win game and easy mode and "unlucky" lost everything and start again "grind" like Chinese or Korean MMO.

We don't play ARPG or something, PoE more like Chinese or Korean MMO will full of gold farmer that use some sort of programs like bots or hacks. Maybe change it? Reduce gap between "lucky" and "unlucky" so it would be more fair and more players could just PLAY THE GAME! GGG should learn that games is not for time wasting, games should be interested in the subject and give positive emotions and fun. If player farm so hard for his any goal then let him achieve this goal, its easy. Right now PoE more like trading simulator and huge heavily pro trade orienteering game that don't punish traders at all, when absolutely punish players who try to craft. And this gap HUGE. Trading in PoE got so much power that it makes game looks like MMO or simulator stock exchange.

I learned my lesson = no and never craft in PoE again, as GGG or GM make me 99% time "unlucky" with everything: map drop, craft, 6 link, vaaling items/gems, chance uniques, drop items, E.T.C.

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tryhardgg wrote:

And since the game is not solo self found at its core , you can complain about not getting drops all day and still won't be taken seriously by people who actually trade ( like 99 % of the population lol ) .

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tryhardgg wrote:

Honestly , half the stuff you said seems made up and even if it isn't you still have TRADING in this game .

And since the game is not solo self found at its core , you can complain about not getting drops all day and still won't be taken seriously by people who actually trade ( like 99 % of the population lol ) .

Think about it and stop being a drama queen , oh and btw I bet you have at least 2 x 6 links in your account and T1 uniques - so man up and don't lie .

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Vhlad wrote:

The big gaming companies that have been around for decades layer in deterministic reward paradigms. They add safety nets to limit RNG outcomes within a desired standard deviation...

I'm not sure how GGG missed something so fundamental.

They didn't. Trading is the safety net. A lot of otherwise odd choices (lack of offline mode, maprolling, etc) make a lot more sense when you see trading not as an optional social function, but as a very necessary RNG smoothing mechanism.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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grepman wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

Winning means nothing if you cannot lose.

Well said.

I'll even extend this a bit more to my liking, if you dont mind, Charan.

Winning big means nothing if you cannot lose big.

Proportion goes without saying. Unless, that is, you've made it a job and not a game. Then you want to win big, lose little. That's investment. That's professional poker. That's not PoE.

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allbusiness wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Vhlad wrote:

The big gaming companies that have been around for decades layer in deterministic reward paradigms. They add safety nets to limit RNG outcomes within a desired standard deviation...

I'm not sure how GGG missed something so fundamental.

They didn't. Trading is the safety net. A lot of otherwise odd choices (lack of offline mode, maprolling, etc) make a lot more sense when you see trading not as an optional social function, but as a very necessary RNG smoothing mechanism.

You realize that this is the exact reason why D3 was absolutely hated on in the first place right? Trading isn't just a 'safety' net, it's actually necessary for progress unless you are running a metabuild of the league.

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TreeOfDead wrote:

Well said.

This is interesting how many RNG lover we have there, i don't think anyone of them ever roll something with lots of orbs: 10000 fusings and not even 6l, x20 empowers 3lvl and not one 4lvl, 5000 jewellers and not a single 6 sockets, run 100 red maps and get 2-3 return only or non, run 2000 labs and not a single enhancement needed, E.T.C.

Also people who defend so hard RNG in PoE don't know how big gap between "lucky" and "unlucky" - this is like two different games with different genre. Lucky got always or almost always return or plus while mapping when unlucky never, lucky roll 6S and 6L with less then 100 jewellers and fusings while unlucky cannot do the same for x100+ times as lucky guy, etc.

Also people who love masochism, oh i mean RNG, never grind for real and don't know value of there hard worked orbs and how long it takes to grind them, how "lucky" that plays 1-2h/day get 6S/6L in 1 fusing and how you cannot do the same for 10000, they never learn that feels and how it drive away and kill all moods to play or do something.

Either there RNG lovers play 1-2h/day or sit in HO and trade all day/most of time. They don't want that their price go lower or players that play more then they get more orbs/unique/maps/etc.

I used so many orbs and gems, play so many maps and labs, search so long for cadiro brodeal and never get anything that "lucky" get, so smart and fair... clearly balanced shit.