{3.0} Necronomicon / Raise Spectre Monster Info...[The Unofficial Minion Wiki]

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mattc3303 wrote:

Voltaic Guardians are also pretty good. Their damage still feels on the low side for me.

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mattc3303 wrote:

The Grapplers are really strong especially against single target once u have a surround going on. Possibly the best boss killers. The ones from Labyrinth solves a lot of the tanky issues.

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Insomniask wrote:

Matt, even an experienced player like me could learn some stuff from you.

But you gotta really stop to let your preferences influence your tier list...

Knitted Horrors and Revenants arent the same tier as Flame Sentinels. Flame Sentinels are insane with curses, links, ee etc. They have larger aoe, more dmg against single target as well as mobs as horrors. Way more.

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ThatsSoGoodman wrote:

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Mokihiki wrote:

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Zehelius_Thoris wrote:

is Reanimator from The Lunaris Temple level 1 any good? they can summon up to 3 zombies at a time (that dont get your minion nodes sadly) and they cast Enfeeble

Linking Raise Spectre with minion support gems such as Minion Damage and Minion Speed will make them raise stronger zombies but as the zombies don't get your minion passives they're still pretty weak.

Stacking a bunch of auras and using The Vigil helps a bit but they're still pretty bad.

If we ever get a way to give our minions (or just spectres specifically) the Minion Instability keystone so that the Reanimators' zombies blow up then they'll probably be genuinely usable.

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mattc3303 wrote:

I think the ones that deal corpse explosion might have some potential.

I used them a few patches ago and they were pretty good, amazing damage and good AI. Their AoE got nerfed a bit recently but I immagine Spirit Weaver and Elemental Focus more than makes up for it.

Their biggest weakness is that they are squisky (again, Spirit Weaver probably helps here) and requires you to trap+cluster trap+desecrate starving you for gem sockets more than most other spectres.

I'm using Grapplers on my perandus summoner atm, but once I get my challenges done I plan on trying a build that uses these again.

I really wanna see the Grapplers with the new Charity shield, any chance you could record a vid or two? Those Spectres got quite a buff this patch.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

Regarding the points on use of skills, Spectres have exactly the same AI as when not spectres. They use skills in the same situations. Yes, monsters use mana, and there are plenty of monsters where that's the primary timing mechanic - we know how much mana they have and how fast it regenerates, so set them to use skills when they can (and in some cases their AI specifically uses other skills when their mana is low, for example). For others mana consumption isn't a big issue, and it's based on the situation they're in - things such as numbers and positions of allies/enemies, which may well be different when they're minions compared to when they're monsters, because they'll mostly be expecting to fight a few strong enemies, not swarms of them.

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Hercanic wrote:

Consider testing Clarity aura or Blood Magic as a Spectre support. I was reading something Mark_GGG wrote, and this caught my attention:

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Mark_GGG wrote:

Regarding the points on use of skills, Spectres have exactly the same AI as when not spectres. They use skills in the same situations. Yes, monsters use mana, and there are plenty of monsters where that's the primary timing mechanic - we know how much mana they have and how fast it regenerates, so set them to use skills when they can (and in some cases their AI specifically uses other skills when their mana is low, for example). For others mana consumption isn't a big issue, and it's based on the situation they're in - things such as numbers and positions of allies/enemies, which may well be different when they're minions compared to when they're monsters, because they'll mostly be expecting to fight a few strong enemies, not swarms of them.

For example, if you use the Blood Magic support gem with a Carnage Chieftain gorilla, he will spam Frenzy Allies all day long.

So then, would Knitted Horrors attack faster if they had more mana for Puncture? How about Evangelist bubbles? I now wonder what Spectres are held back because of mana issues.