The new Ascendancy classes seem kind of bland compared to the others

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raics wrote:

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Jonmcdonald wrote:

The new Ascendancy classes seem kind of bland compared to the others.

Never fear, I'm quite sure the balance department is working around the clock in order to make the others equally bland :)

/upvote :)

Peace,

-Boem-

I love them, looks great!

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Vhlad wrote:

The totem one is quite weak, for totems. It's good for MOM and other things. But totemers are better off using other ascendancies.

Given how slow totem placement speed is, if you're placing more than 2 totems on 1 screen you're already way behind builds that clear the entire screen (and then some) in 1 hit.

The beauty is that you only have to place as many totems as you need and the damage penalty corresponds. Maybe I'm not thinking it out, but 4 totems against bosses could be better than 2. Or how about a support character? Use 1 or 2 damage totems when solo and when in a party have 1-4 auras on totems to help the party. For non Ancestral Bond characters, you could drop Wrath and Anger totems against bosses. Or Grace and Determination totems. Both of which would be nice against bosses and you would still do your normal damage from your main attack.

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mark1030 wrote:

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Vhlad wrote:

The totem one is quite weak, for totems. It's good for MOM and other things. But totemers are better off using other ascendancies.

Given how slow totem placement speed is, if you're placing more than 2 totems on 1 screen you're already way behind builds that clear the entire screen (and then some) in 1 hit.

The beauty is that you only have to place as many totems as you need and the damage penalty corresponds. Maybe I'm not thinking it out, but 4 totems against bosses could be better than 2. Or how about a support character? Use 1 or 2 damage totems when solo and when in a party have 1-4 auras on totems to help the party. For non Ancestral Bond characters, you could drop Wrath and Anger totems against bosses. Or Grace and Determination totems. Both of which would be nice against bosses and you would still do your normal damage from your main attack.

I tend to agree the totem options seem endless, someone will find a way to it very powerful

The extra two totems comes with a 10% less damage per totem.

Before: 2 x 100% = 200%
After: 4 x 60% = 240%.

Whee.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

The extra two totems comes with a 10% less damage per totem.

Before: 2 x 100% = 200%
After: 4 x 60% = 240%.

Whee.

yes but you can use extra totems without ancestral bond, it opens up many options

After this I'm even more worried about Scion ascendancy. It's hard to imagine what abilities could her (single!)ascendancy include to actually be ob the level with all that cool shit made for other classes.

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k1rage wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

The extra two totems comes with a 10% less damage per totem.

Before: 2 x 100% = 200%
After: 4 x 60% = 240%.

Whee.

yes but you can use extra totems without ancestral bond, it opens up many options

Totemers can already use traps if they want to deal damage with ancestral bond (or even channel wither to buff 100% chaos totems). Heck, or even self-cast SRS.

What I mean is, in situations where 1 totem is sufficient damage other ascendancies are better, and in situations where 2 totems aren't killing a target instantly, there are other actions that the player can be doing to add damage. i.e., Comparing 2 totems (200%) + nothing vs 4 totems (240%) is not accurate, because during the time you take to place 2 additional totems the player can contribute 40% by, for example, throwing a bunch of fire/bear traps (or vaal lightning trap), channeling wither, cursing, generating charges, using warcries, summons or other upcoming tactical skills. And then you add the bonus from an alternative ascendancy on top of that (which is probably more than 200% -> 240% by itself; for example, inevitable judgement on crit shockwave totems with lots of different physical to elemental conversions/%addeds).

Outside of very niche things like totems that spam minion summons with minion instability vs. certain boss fights (i.e. SRS vs uber), totemers will be better off utilizing other ascendancies. I hope the last marauder ascendency actually has something appealing for end-game oriented totem min-maxers.

Unique flasks in this game right now are the most OP shit ever.

Pathfinder is the most OP shit ever. Like, beyond Assassin.