Donald Trump

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diablofdb wrote:
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Xavderion wrote:
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Manocean wrote:
I went to a Trump rally yesterday, it was fuckin' lit af


The enthusiasm from Trump fans hasn't died down after the debate, it seems to be quite the opposite actually. Trump raised $18m in small donations within 24 hours after the debate.



Problem is, it's nothing compared to what oils compagnies and media give to Hillary.


It's the American people vs the elite and the special interests.

They already succeeded in knocking out Bernie through unethical practices and by using the media which is in their pockets to downplay Bernie, and now all that is left is to do the same thing to the Don.
anything is everything
The Iran comment was cringeworthy. I mean, how can someone say Clinton is the warmonger after that? Trump is easily baited.
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NeroNoah wrote:
The Iran comment was cringeworthy. I mean, how can someone say Clinton is the warmonger after that? Trump is easily baited.


Which particular comment are you talking about?
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DalaiLama wrote:
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NeroNoah wrote:
The Iran comment was cringeworthy. I mean, how can someone say Clinton is the warmonger after that? Trump is easily baited.


Which particular comment are you talking about?


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CLINTON: ... The other day, I saw Donald saying that there were some Iranian sailors on a ship in the waters off of Iran, and they were taunting American sailors who were on a nearby ship. He said, you know, if they taunted our sailors, I'd blow them out of the water and start another war. That's not good judgment.

TRUMP: That would not start a war.

CLINTON: That is not the right temperament to be commander-in- chief, to be taunted. And the worst part...

TRUMP: No, they were taunting us.


Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/26/the-first-trump-clinton-presidential-debate-transcript-annotated/7

That was easily the worst thing said that night.
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Pepe being discussed at length on national television: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtU2Efaj0xs

We live in the dankest timeline.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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Xavderion wrote:
Pepe being discussed at length on national television: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtU2Efaj0xs

We live in the dankest timeline.


I mean, doesn't bother you what Trump said in the least? Who the fuck cares about pepes anyway? Not even the Clinton campaign cares too much about that.
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Last edited by NeroNoah on Sep 29, 2016, 8:31:54 PM
that's the way its always been, the news reports on the stuff people are doing as a trend, and if they feeling edgy or snarky, the trot out some 'investigative reporting'.

I do applaud your counter counter counter culture of celebrating the act of reclaiming a meme from 'the normies' being discussed and used again by 'the normies', I am impressed with the dankness levels.
Hey...is this thing on?
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NeroNoah wrote:


I mean, doesn't bother you what Trump said in the least?


Not really. He can say stupid shit to impress some voters all day long (I guess with his bully image he wants to appeal to the more "simple" Republicans?), in the end he certainly won't be able to start a war over some petty shit. Taking everything what Trump says in a literal way is just fearmongering imo.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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Xavderion wrote:
Pepe being discussed at length on national television: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtU2Efaj0xs

We live in the dankest timeline.

This whole ordeal gotta be one of the most hilarious cases of overextending.

Hillary memed herself so hard it makes me question reality. I thought she was supposed to be intelligent
Oblivious
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NeroNoah wrote:
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DalaiLama wrote:
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NeroNoah wrote:
The Iran comment was cringeworthy. I mean, how can someone say Clinton is the warmonger after that? Trump is easily baited.


Which particular comment are you talking about?


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CLINTON: ... The other day, I saw Donald saying that there were some Iranian sailors on a ship in the waters off of Iran, and they were taunting American sailors who were on a nearby ship. He said, you know, if they taunted our sailors, I'd blow them out of the water and start another war. That's not good judgment.

TRUMP: That would not start a war.

CLINTON: That is not the right temperament to be commander-in- chief, to be taunted. And the worst part...

TRUMP: No, they were taunting us.


Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/26/the-first-trump-clinton-presidential-debate-transcript-annotated/7

That was easily the worst thing said that night.


I think most people's understanding of the situation is gravely inadequate and incorrect. We might as well let a random street bum code the next major operating system solo as let **most** media pundits analyze any kind of military strategy.

"Clinton's quip badly misunderstands what's going on right now in the Persian Gulf."
"on its surface it seems like a reasonable criticism. "


The substance of Trump's remarks is nonetheless very close to what Joseph Votel, the commander of U.S. Central Command Votel implied earlier this month.

"Clinton missed an opportunity to show that she too understood the importance of deterrence in the Persian Gulf. "

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-09-27/trump-scored-one-point-in-the-debate-as-clinton-stumbled-on-iran


With no military background knowledge it is easy to misunderstand the logistics and interplay of military forces in an area. Just was you would leave surgery to a surgeon, the specific actions, responses and escalations should be determined by careful policy and allowing the military leaders in charge of the situation to determine the best course, with review and oversight.

What has happened, is that the oversight has become the decision maker. We have someone in the lobby of the hospital that has watched a couple medical TV shows, and now they think they should be directing every move the surgeon makes.

The result is that our forces in the field have been paralyzed and strategic and tactical deterrence has dropped to a near non-existent level.

If you haven't already read something on it before, research how Soviet nuclear submarines were tethered vs how the US policy was conducted. Hillary and Obama are following a similar path that Bill Clinton had of disarming and debilitating US military capabilities.

Imagine being a soldier sent out on patrol with your trusty M-14 - except that you aren't allowed to have any bullets in the weapon or any ammunition on your person. That has actually been the case in many patrol deployments.

While we certainly don't have any information suggesting Trump's knowledge of near east strategy is up to speed, we do have evidence that Hillary and Obama's policies and decisions have been disastrous and ill conceived.

Iran's military ambitions were essentially isolated prior to Hillary and Obama's policies and deals. The deal freed up an unholy amount of funds for them to expand their military programs and allowed commerce that will facilitate that expansion indirectly. Although many military sales are still implicitly prohibited, the additional latitude will facilitate more complicit deals.

Despite its purpoted purpose, the Iran deal has almost nothing to do with preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. It temporarily reduces their stockpile of fissionable material and reduces the allowed number of enriching facilities. The deal lacks any teeth and relies far too heavy on Iran deciding to be compliant.

Further, the actions of Hillary and Obama in destabilizing the near east directly brought Russia into the picture. Where the US once had the option of action in Iran, the partnership with Russia will likely prevent the US from any military options. It also means that Iran has direct access to any nuclear technology or fissile materials that Russia deems suitable for Iran to have.

Obama and Hillary gave Russia the motive and the opportunity to expand their influence in the region. The nuclear deal essentially is like reigniting the cold war in the near east. Iran could easily have constructed 2-5 nuclear weapons as early as 2008. Nuclear weapons without a delivery system are of little value for a nation state. Iran has been working on developing their delivery systems. When those are complete, the rest of Iran's nuclear capabilities will emerge fully fledged.


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Former Senator Al D’Amato D’Amato said that Hillary allowed Russia to take ownership of US uranium so they could sell it to Iran.

" Hillary made it possible for the Russians to take control of one of our huge uranium producers and allow them to own the company, export the uranium and who do they sell the uranium to? Iran! Now if people knew that and that the foundation as a result of that got $135 million. I think people would start saying, “What?”"

In January 2013 the Russian atomic energy agency purchased the company “Uranium One” in Canada. The company owns uranium concessions in the United States.

Because uranium is a strategically important commodity, the Russians would need approval from the Obama administration, including Hillary’s State Department, before the purchase took place.

Nine shareholders in Uranium One provided more than $145 million in donations to the Clinton Foundation in the run-up to State Department approval. The Clinton foundation took the funding before the deal was approved by Hillary Clinton’s State Department.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0


http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/417425/barrasso-uranium-has-left-country-i-worry-about-iran-getting-uranium-jim

There is no reason to trust Hillary, and the amount of information she continues to hide is more than troubling, it is worrisome.

Hillary's foundation didn't even keep their promise to Barack Obama to on disclosures. Make no mistake about it, Hillary's foreign policy has so many shady deals and if you follow the money, the rationale becomes apparent.

"In 2008, Hillary Clinton promised Barack Obama, the president-elect, there would be no mystery about who was giving money to her family's globe-circling charities. She made a pledge to publish all the donors on an annual basis to ease concerns that as secretary of state she could be vulnerable to accusations of foreign influence.

At the outset, the Clinton Foundation did indeed publish what they said was a complete list of the names of more than 200,000 donors and has continued to update it. But in a breach of the pledge, the charity's flagship health program, which spends more than all of the other foundation initiatives put together, stopped making the annual disclosure in 2010, Reuters has found.

In response to questions from Reuters, officials at the Clinton Health Access Initiative (CHAI) and the foundation confirmed no complete list of donors to the Clintons' charities has been published since 2010. "



TL/DR:
Hillary and Obama made a BAD DEAL with Iran, brought Russia into the region, and brought the region into the worst chaos in modern history. Expect more of the same if she is reelected.

Spoiler
If you want an idea of how important Hillary considers US national defense, take a look at her own official campaign website

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Issue number 26/27 down the page is Nation Security. AFTER Autism, Campus Sexual Security, Addiction, and many other issues.

If we follow her link to more details the first quote below her picture is:

"I believe the future holds far more opportunities than threats if we exercise creative and confident leadership that enables us to shape global events rather than be shaped by them."

Key words - Opportunities. Creative. Shape.

Hillary wants to be the Shaper, and we already know from her actions in the Middle East that she is opportunistic. Getting "Creative" with military and diplomatic actions is the very LAST thing the world needs.

Bonus round: Hillary touts her "tough" deal with Iran and her campaign cites this webpage as an example"

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factchecks/2016/01/25/countering-iranian-threats-with-toughness-and-diplomacy/

The deal with Iran was extraordinarily bad in terms of inspection, monitoring, and corrective enforcement.

The promise of the deal:

"July 24, 2015: “We will have far better insight on the — certainly the industrial aspects of the Iranian nuclear program with this deal than what we have today,” Director of National Intelligence James Clapper tells the Aspen Security Forum."

Contrast that with the reality of the implementation:

"February 26, 2016, and May 27, 2016: In its first and second quarterly reports on Iran’s implementation of the nuclear deal, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) provides less information on the regime’s nuclear activities than IAEA reports that preceded the agreement. The documents — among other omissions — fail to specify the size, forms, and location of Iran’s stockpile of 3.67 percent low-enriched uranium, and Iran’s inventory of near-20 percent low-enriched uranium. On May 31, the Institute for Science and International Security observes that the omissions raise “questions about the adequacy of the IAEA’s JCPOA verification effort,” and concludes that the reports lack “the transparency that was promised by U.S. officials.”

"March 7, 2016: IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano justifies the omissions in the February report by explaining that the U.N. Security Council resolution tied to the nuclear deal requires less data. “In the previous reports, the bases were the previous U.N. Security Council resolutions and Board of Governors,” he says. “But now they are terminated. They are gone.” Although U.S. Ambassador to the IAEA Henry S. Ensher disputes Amano’s claim the next day, the May IAEA report fails to correct the earlier edition’s shortcomings.

"The enhanced transparency and verification measures contained in the JCPOA supplement, but do not supersede, the Agency’s existing authorities under Iran’s Comprehensive Safeguards Agreement and Additional Protocol,” said U.S. Ambassador to the IAEA Henry S. Ensher on March 9.

""We note with serious concern Iran’s temporary accumulation of heavy water in excess of its agreed stockpile limit, and welcome the quick actions taken to remedy this inconsistency with Iran’s commitments."

Another example from the multitude of already apparent failures of the BAD DEAL with Iranb:

The promise:

July 14, 2015: “The IAEA has also reached an agreement with Iran to get access that it needs to complete its investigation into the possible military dimensions of Iran’s past nuclear research,” says President Obama in a statement announcing the deal.

July 28, 2015: Secretary of State John Kerry says during a House hearing that if Iran fails to provide access to its military sites, “they will be in material breach of this agreement and the sanctions will snap back.” He then states that Iranian leaders, who claim that inspectors will lack such access, are simply “taking care of a domestic constituency.”

The reality:

December 2, 2015: In its final report on the possible military dimensions of Iran’s nuclear program, the IAEA indicates that Tehran provided only partial access to the Parchin military complex, and continued to deny full access to other key sites. Pursuant to the confidential side deal, the IAEA also allows Iran to collect its own environmental samples at Parchin.

“The results identified two particles that appear to be chemically man-modified particles of natural uranium,” states the agency, but adds that this information is “not sufficient” to facilitate a conclusive determination regarding Iran’s nuclear weapons pursuit. evertheless, on December 15, the United States joins its partners on the 35-nation IAEA Board of Governors in a unanimous vote to remove the item from its agenda.

June 20, 2016: The Wall Street Journal reports that the Obama administration has concluded that uranium particles found by inspectors during its earlier visit to Parchin were likely connected to its covert nuclear weapons program. “Normally, the IAEA requires additional samples to be taken when there are irregularities found in their tests, such as the presence of man-made uranium, according to former agency officials and other nuclear experts,” states the Journal. “But under last year’s nuclear agreement, Tehran was only required to allow the IAEA’s inspectors to visit the Parchin facility once.”

The world will now be relying on Russia's interactions with Iran to keep it from becoming a fully fledged nuclear nation with intercontinental weapons delivery.




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