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Article Venezuela is now the most expensive country in the world:
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/10/venezuela-prices-explode/]Venezuela is now the most expensive country in the world " Last edited by Samkiud on Oct 9, 2015, 11:06:36 PM
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How bad has Venezuela become since Maduro has come to power? I didn't see a lot of news here, in Argentina. That guy is just a dictator at this point. The harm sustained will be hard to recover.
That being said, I'd still be truly careful with the conclusion about spending and debt for US (for many reasons). There is bad spending and good spending after all. Add a Forsaken Masters questline
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I am aware of Venezuela's troubles, and they also extend to Maduro's military adventurism. I am very sorry, and hope that Venezuelans find a way to extract themselves from that mess. ='[.]'=
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The article is rediculous. You live there. Tell me truthfully that you pay 160 dollars for a cab, because i flat out do not beleive it. Chavez was extremely good at reducing poverty and malnutricion levels within a few years to the point that no country has ever achieved. I am not in favour of Maduro from what i 've read, but the biggest pie of the blame still goes to US and it's imperialistic policies. I remember back in 2004 or so, when oil prices had gone through the roof here in Europe, Chavez was willing to sell us oil at half price, and noone dared to take it due to NATO.
Then the article goes on to say that "Venezuela should be the most prosperous country in Latin America by far. And it once was." Yeah it was, with 21% malnutrition(which Chavez' policies dropped to 6%). It was the most prosperous country with over 1/5 of the population not having to eat. Also Venezuela under Chavez became the most literate country in the region, and the second just behind canada in western hemishpere in income inequiality. Continuing ..."That is what has enabled the US to get away with printing relentlessly so far, as much of the resulting inflation is simply exported abroad." I mean REALLY? It says that as a POSSITIVE thing? Being in position to fuck other countries with your inflation? I guess you like free markets? The country that were applied more than anywhere else in the world(under US backing of course), was just abit in the south, on Pinochet's Chile. If you prefer that be my guest. The fact that Venezuela has oil does not mean much in US lead world. Middle East countries with that mind frame should have been the richest, most prosperous countries in the world, but the situation there is way worse than your country. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/417287 - Poutsos Flicker Nuke Shadow
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Chavez reminds me of Peron. He did good things...but he did questionable/bad things. So people will never agree about if they were good or bad. I think it's half and half (given how things went with Peron in my country). At least they were better that their antecessors, but they went a little authoritarian for my tastes. If you are in the side that was damaged because of his policies, you'll probably be really, really pissed off. I'm a leftist, but I could see how a lot of left governments are flawed, and one needs to recognize it. One can't blame everything to imperialism and the right (yes, even with the coup attempts and shady NATO's policies). The lack of freedom of press is not acceptable, for example. I'd rather have Fox News than being paranoid about the press.
" I think that it's not saying that thing about printing money as a good thing, just as a thing that sustains everything temporally, but the language is hyperbolic, and I would question its rigour. After all, there are austerians after a great recession trying to convince people to do nothing when things go to shit. There are a lot of crackpot theories out there like trying to reestablish the gold standard (there were not great depressions before changing to that? hahahaha...people need to read more history) or that cutting spending after a recession will make recovery quicker (I think that Greece had the same problem; yes, there was excessive spending before 2010, but the way its debt was managed was shameful and made the things worse, only a moron would scapegoat "socialism" in that situation, when the stupid cuts to basic services depressed the economy hard, and the call to raise taxes on the rich as it should be came too late, when it was impractical to do and it was convenient to blame the party in power). Lastly, there is a whole spectra of government types between unregulated markets (there is not such a thing as a free market except as an hypothetical scenario) where power tends to concentrate in few people and a centralized, overregulated market (it tends to stiffle creativity, generates dependency and if it fails, fails hard) where power...tends to concentrate in a few (lol). The truth is in the middle (regulated capitalism, like the Nordic Model). Add a Forsaken Masters questline https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2297942 Last edited by NeroNoah on Oct 10, 2015, 10:10:54 AM
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" You take the calculator. The official Dollar:Bolívares. exchange rate is 1:6,3. For a 15-min ride, a taxi will charge you 600-700 Bolívares. Keep in mind that the minimal wage here is 7421,67 Bolívares. " You're talking beautiful things about Chávez. Yes, praise Chávez, he was a genius in the politics, the statistics don't lie, but now he's dead and he's not the subject of discussion anyway. If we're going to talk about his government, we can't ignore the fact that he expropriated and nationalized over 900 (not meme, real number) foreign and domestic companies; companies that are not currently producing and the reason we have the current shortage crisis. Now that you're analyzing the past years statistics, why don't you analyse and mention the current statistics? Why overlooking the past and not taking a look at the present? Why not mentioning, for example, that the minimal wage here is 7.421,67 Bolívares., while the basic food basket is worth 54.204,69 Bolívares. Damn, I'm living this in my own flesh. " I don't buy the "other countries are worse so stop complaining" fallacy, if that's your point. Government management is all a country need to be prosperous, regardless of the oil resources or not, but you can't say that oil is not an influential fact that will help a country be potentially rich if well managed. Look at Dubai city, for example, and United Arab Emirates is below Venezuela when it comes to oil reserves. Yes, talk about their social issues and whatever, but are they as poor as hell as we are? | |
ppl pay over u$s60 for 2gb ram ddr 2 here :/
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I told you, from what i have read i am not a fan of Maduro, but i was critising a biased right wing propaganda article. For me nationalisation of, if done right is a good thing. Even in developed countries, like Germany, i was reading that when several key industries were privatised things went to shit, and they had to nationalise them back(Can a German from here please confirm this?). Oil in theory makes a country rich. It is not the goverment management that was in fault this time around. I told you. Chavez wanted to export your oil here in Europe, which would be very profitable for your country, but NATO did not allow it. For sure the goverment was not perfect in any way, but i insist that the biggest reaon you are facing these problems is due to the "economic warfare" that western countries have carried out against Chavez. USA always wants to have complete control of resourcefull countries, and when somebody objects to that, is going to fight you everyway it can. That was always the case with Castro as well. Authoritarian regime my ass. Batista that was in charge before Castro was far more authoritarian, and the living standards of the Cuban people were rock bottom, but he was serving US interests, so he was the "good guy". I don't buy the "other countries are worse so stop complaining" fallacy, if that's your point. No it's not my point at all. On the contrary i say that you should ALWAYS complain, and fight for your rights. Costantly. My point is to not be conviced that through free market politics and privatisations your people is going to be like american(or northern european) upper middle class level. History has actually showed us the complete opposite. -In Chile, after Alliente was assasinated by CIA, and was replaced by Pinochet and free markets policies were imposed, the living standards fell. -After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the same thing happened to all ex Soviet countries. Most have yet to recover. Sure there are some that are doing well, like Poland, but do not. When you judge "how people live" in a country, the comparisons should always be on the basis of: -How people lived BEFORE in that region? -How people in nearby countries, or in countries with similar wealth live? -Other factors that might affect the area(like embargos) -Resources So when we talk about a country like Cuba(which i have visited BTW), where it is just an island on the Carribean with limited resources, and has it's terrible embargo imposed upon it, i beleive the country is doing quite well. They have the best national health care system in the world(highest rates of successful breast cancer treatments in the world among other), great public educational system with top quality universities, good work conditions(in cigar factories during breaks, workers have the right to smoke as many as they want-which in the west cost like 200$ each, and there is a dude reading poetry to them), high life expectancy(abit higher than the US actually), relatively low rates of depression and suicides(far lower than US and MANY western countries), free lessons on any activities on anything, from music and dancing to boxing, all at very high levels. Of course there are negatives as well. Everything imported is mostly out of the quetion for people, like a good pc or a nice car, and there is not 100% free speech. But for these you can also largely blame the embargo and the US agressive politics against Cuba. Do not forget that i am from Greece, and the last 5 years the situation here is almost as bad as your country. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/417287 - Poutsos Flicker Nuke Shadow Last edited by Poutsos on Oct 11, 2015, 8:12:18 AM
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" Those countries will be dirt poor when we end the oil dependency in the future. They build luxurious stuff, but at the end they are as poor as any place (just look what they do to foreigners to have cheap labor). At least Venezuela did have social programs, even if they were demagogic in nature. " There are many factors: Germany just has a better government, nationalizations of a whole industry reduce competition, some industries tend to natural monopolies, monopsony and risk pooling can make a state run industry more efficient (think of healthcare), and then corporations can and will suck. The whole centralized vs. privatized thing is not as evident as any side says it is, and I would study the fuck out of it before applying. My country has seen the evil of both sides, and right now is more inclined towards the centralized one after the rule of the privatized one (that ended in a Great Depression like your country). " Can you source the NATO thing? I couldn't find it. Add a Forsaken Masters questline
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