Supposing you could completely ignore the issue of min/maxing

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Raycheetah wrote:
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Poutsos wrote:
In any RPG, if available, i always go for

1) Katanas or Curved swords like scimitars
2) Dual Weild
3) Very fast and agile character, with little to no defenses, relying on dodges(if possible).
4) DPS>>>> Defenses
5) ALWAYS melee.

Then comes min maxing and try to sacrifise as little as possible frm preference list. Points 5 and 4 always persist though. The fact that PoE did not allow me to really build the way i want was a contributing factor in leavin it a year+ ago.


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And that's the thing with PoE. With the right gear and mtxes, you really can indulge these inclinations provided you don't feel the need to do high-end content with them. If you're that worried about min/maxing, style shouldn't even be a consideration.

That's why I don't say 'could', I say 'do'.

You can have your cake and eat it too. Have min/max chars farming high end content to kit out your dream fantasy chars. Easy, really.


It's tricky. Like with gay/straight, I believe that there is a spectrum rather than a coin flip. See, the reason I brought this topic up is that I was playing this mobile ARPG Soulcraft, and the only weapon stat is base attack power. So when I go to the shop and randomly generate new shop items, and this huge-upgrade mace appears, I'm conflicted. Do I buy it and look lame but smash monsters easier? Or do I wait it out for a sword with similar power? I realized that my preference for style over min/max is so strong that I have pretty much never bought a non-sword in that game. Evar!!! The good thing about Path of Exile is that when the style issue is purely between weapon type, I'm given nearly full reign over my choice, because of the miracle of player trading. End-game builds with swords are common, and so I have easy access to them over, say, a GG win-game-button Mace.

With Path of Exile and my playstyle, there is sort of a conflict of interest. On the one hand, you can really build anything you want. On the other hand, with some builds, you'd be hard pressed to make the character strong enough to farm things that are worth farming for. Sometimes, if you keep getting slaughtered at level 48, it's too frustrating to go forward. Then again, I don't think I've personally "twinked" that hard in this game. So I can see where you're coming from, that with the right gear you can probably make any kind of character farm level 68 maps or Dried Lake or whatever scenic Merciless zone you want.

The thing is that for me, I do enjoy min/maxing, and the thrill of calculating this or that and seeing if it sticks in the "real world" as well as it does on paper. This is probably where GGG becomes concerned about "balance" (even if it doesn't concern you, Charan :P), where some styles are just so much more effective than others that developers are intent on "ruining the fun" of those min/maxers who were dead set on using their OP builds. As an example of this, I just created a thread in Feedback/Suggestions regarding physical vs elemental/high APS in end-game: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1418152 Charan, you probably wouldn't care, but currently, high APS and elemental damage grants massive DPS boosts in the end-game, which means if you want your character to ever potentially clear the hardest content, you'll have a really tough time doing so with a low APS pure-physical character.

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Fundamentally, it is a serious error to place more value on form than function. When you care more about how a message was delivered than the content of the message, it indicates a lack of deeper understanding.

It's as if there exists 2 completely different levels of intelligence. One which uses mental tools and analysis, and another which simply makes choices based on how similar a choice is to previous 'acceptable'/ 'cool'/ 'correct' choices. The first which allows for advancement, and the second which retards advancement by actively hampering new ideas.


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SkyCore wrote:
Fundamentally, it is a serious error to place more value on form than function. When you care more about how a message was delivered than the content of the message, it indicates a lack of deeper understanding.


I'm not sure I fully agree with that. Sometimes the medium IS the message, look at highbrow art for example.
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TheWretch wrote:
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SkyCore wrote:
Fundamentally, it is a serious error to place more value on form than function. When you care more about how a message was delivered than the content of the message, it indicates a lack of deeper understanding.


I'm not sure I fully agree with that. Sometimes the medium IS the message, look at highbrow art for example.


Do tell. What exactly do you mean by 'the medium IS the message'?

I find it not at all ironic that those whom disagree with me on this concept cannot fully communicate their message of why.
For years i searched for deep truths. A thousand revelations. At the very edge...the ability to think itself dissolves away.Thinking in human language is the problem. Any separation from 'the whole truth' is incomplete.My incomplete concepts may add to your 'whole truth', accept it or think about it
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SkyCore wrote:
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TheWretch wrote:
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SkyCore wrote:
Fundamentally, it is a serious error to place more value on form than function. When you care more about how a message was delivered than the content of the message, it indicates a lack of deeper understanding.


I'm not sure I fully agree with that. Sometimes the medium IS the message, look at highbrow art for example.


Do tell. What exactly do you mean by 'the medium IS the message'?

I find it not at all ironic that those whom disagree with me on this concept cannot fully communicate their message of why.


Hmm the first one that jumps to mind is Duchamp's urinal.

Its all style, the message is just that, an actual urinal to show art is to be pissed on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)

A more modern example could be Dash Snow's pissed on collages selling for 100's of thousands at high end galleries and being shown at The Whitney or his nest installation at the Deitch projects. An art piece about taking drugs and rolling around in shredded newspapers like hamsters. New York had done a piece on him calling him the next Warhol.

http://www.deitch.com/projects/sub.php?projId=219

http://nymag.com/arts/art/profiles/26288/



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TheWretch wrote:

Hmm the first one that jumps to mind is Duchamp's urinal.

Its all style, the message is just that, an actual urinal to show art is to be pissed on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)

A more modern example would could be Dash Snow's pissed on collages selling for 100's of thousands at high end galleries and being shown at The Whitney or his nest installation at the Deitch projects. An art piece about taking drugs and rolling around in shredded newspapers like hamsters. New York had done a piece on him calling him the next Warhol.

http://www.deitch.com/projects/sub.php?projId=219

http://nymag.com/arts/art/profiles/26288/


You still have not in anyway elaborated on how form should be valued above function. You merely stated disagreement and pointed to art. Because there may be some message embedded in the multiplicity of art does not in any way invalidate what i have said, nor give a rational basis for disagreement.

For years i searched for deep truths. A thousand revelations. At the very edge...the ability to think itself dissolves away.Thinking in human language is the problem. Any separation from 'the whole truth' is incomplete.My incomplete concepts may add to your 'whole truth', accept it or think about it
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SkyCore wrote:
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TheWretch wrote:

Hmm the first one that jumps to mind is Duchamp's urinal.

Its all style, the message is just that, an actual urinal to show art is to be pissed on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)

A more modern example would could be Dash Snow's pissed on collages selling for 100's of thousands at high end galleries and being shown at The Whitney or his nest installation at the Deitch projects. An art piece about taking drugs and rolling around in shredded newspapers like hamsters. New York had done a piece on him calling him the next Warhol.

http://www.deitch.com/projects/sub.php?projId=219

http://nymag.com/arts/art/profiles/26288/


You still have not in anyway elaborated on how form should be valued above function. You merely stated disagreement and pointed to art. Because there may be some message embedded in the multiplicity of art does not in any way invalidate what i have said, nor give a rational basis for disagreement.



And this is the reply of yours I was responding to.

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SkyCore wrote:
Fundamentally, it is a serious error to place more value on form than function. When you care more about how a message was delivered than the content of the message, it indicates a lack of deeper understanding.

It's as if there exists 2 completely different levels of intelligence. One which uses mental tools and analysis, and another which simply makes choices based on how similar a choice is to previous 'acceptable'/ 'cool'/ 'correct' choices. The first which allows for advancement, and the second which retards advancement by actively hampering new ideas.




So, no there is not two different levels of intelligence and I believe I have elaborated on what I meant. Maybe you should elaborate because I have no idea what you're on about anymore?


E: How is it functional to hang a urinal up on your living room wall above a fireplace? O.o
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TheWretch wrote:

I believe I have elaborated on what I meant.

If by 'what you meant' was 'art exists'. You have elaborated on it. On how exactly that relates to my post you have made no effort.

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TheWretch wrote:

I have no idea what you're on about anymore?

I get the feeling you never did.
For years i searched for deep truths. A thousand revelations. At the very edge...the ability to think itself dissolves away.Thinking in human language is the problem. Any separation from 'the whole truth' is incomplete.My incomplete concepts may add to your 'whole truth', accept it or think about it
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