POE for casual gamers

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

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HighTime wrote:

Keep making updates for casual gamers who don't give a damn (and by the way don't give you dime) while your real supporters stop buying supporter packs.

You really stepped in it with that one, youngun.

Logic. You're about to get a faceful of it. Get the tissues ready -- whether for said logic or the tears, I don't really care.

Casual gamers don't play as much or as intensely as hardcore gamers. Why? USUALLY because they have other things going on in their life. Let's assume one of those things is this little thing we call 'work'. When people 'work', they make 'money'. They then use this 'money' to support themselves and their loved ones if need be. This can come in the form of necessities, like food and domicile upkeep, but it can also come in the form of entertainment and pleasure. People who 'work' are very happy to put 'money' into things they enjoy. They know it's going to a good cause for them and it makes them feel like their money is not being wasted. The caual gamer supports Path of Exile not because the game does this or that, but simply because they enjoy what it does, what it is, and how it's done.

Hardcore gamers play a lot more than casual gamers. We can assume that this PROBABLY means they don't 'work' as much and, by law of averages, probably don't have as much 'money'. There are, of course, spikes, such as myself, but everyone knows I'm the exception to just about every rule, even the smart ones. So hardcore gamers who care about things like drop rates and trading for hours on end, who take this shit very seriously because let's face it, they don't have much else in their lives to take seriously, especially not 'work', are definitely harder to please and have less 'money'. This means that they're far less apt to support because, well, they have to eat too. On the other hand, they're also far more likely to threaten not to support UNLESS the developers do this or that because, being hardcore gamers with less 'money' because they don't 'work', they have an inflated sense of their own financial clout. What might be a pittance to a casual gamer who 'works' could be a week's food money to a hardcore gamer who doesn't.

Simply put, casual gamers are far more likely to support for superficial/moral reasons and to support more because they HAVE MORE MONEY TO CONTRIBUTE BECAUSE THEY HAVE LIVES THAT INCLUDE WORK WHICH GIVES THEM MONEY. Hardcore gamers, on the other hand, are usually fucking pennypinchers because it's typically impossible to be a hardcore gamer *and* make good money on a regular basis. They're the ones who think their fucking ten or twenty dollars is somehow going to sway GGG into doing what they want. L O fucking L.

Now I'm not saying you don't have a job or a life. Hell, I'm not even saying you're a hardcore gamer. That's all on you. I am saying, however, that to be a 'hardcore gamer' of this game, given the game is already way fucking hardcore from the get-go, you really do need to be in a position where full-time employment isn't very likely...unless all you do is work an 8 hour stint then come home and play PoE for 8 hours a day, in which case I'd think you'd support anyway simply because you'd realise you're getting a pretty sweet deal as far as hours of entertainment vs financial commitment.

I refuse to believe anyone with a job, ongoing financial commitments, family, something resembling a social life and a penchant for oldschool ARPGs would look at PoE and see anything but good value worth supporting. And that right there is your 'casual gamer'.

That's your Diaternals.

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AttackDingo wrote:

First of all, thanks for all the attention you gave me - people rarely pay so much attention to the things that I post on here. Secondly, thank you for pointing out - at each quote - that these items are not needed for any of these builds they are just convenient in that their effects are contained in one item and that their effects may be more potent. The word enabling comes from the word enable: (found this on google for you)

verb

1. give (someone or something) the authority or means to do something "the evidence would enable us to arrive at firm conclusions" synonyms: allow, permit, let, give the means, equip, ... more antonyms: prevent
2. make (a device or system) operational; activate

Without an enabling item you would not be able to do something. To call any of those items you mentioned enabling is false. What you are really saying apparently is "I don't want to go through the trouble of figuring out how to achieve my build with what I can afford - instead I want to drop an item that does all that for me".

When you say things like I wanna weild two void battery wands I say - work toward it, cool story, but two void batteries are not required to enable any build. That's pure luxury - damage upon damage that should be sufficient already if your build is decent. If you can't steamroll content with arc go back to the drawing board.

As far as what makes a casual a casual - you opinion here is null. Casual is what WE call players like YOU. You don't get to define it, sorry. If you feel like you fit both of those categories then you should probably have an honest moment with yourself and remember how you just mentioned "theory crafting gear I will probably never own". That kind of defeatist attitude is exactly what separates people like you from people like me.

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

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HighTime wrote:

BTW, to those who said I was lacking credibility because I was saying that D3 is a casual game while I'm not playing it obviously can't read between the lines. The fact that I'm not playing the game doesn't imply that I've never played it before.

To help you figure it out I'll give you an example :

I don't play football because it's too violent

The fact that I don't play football because it happens to be too violent for my taste doesn't mean I've never played football before.

:)

A similar argument runs 'I don't need to wade through a sewer to know it's filthy.'

It's true, but you still exaggerated far too greatly (this one change does NOT make PoE as casual as D3 and I think you know it) not to be pulled up on it.

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

All I get from you is you don't want casuals in your HC game. That we should go be with our social lives, partners and kids 24/7 and never have any of this fun. I bet you're probably thinking, 'well, this HC stuff is for us poor no-lifers, those people with social lives, partners and kids need to stop rubbing it in our faces and appreciate what they got' or some such bullshit.

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RagnarokChu wrote:

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

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HighTime wrote:

BTW, to those who said I was lacking credibility because I was saying that D3 is a casual game while I'm not playing it obviously can't read between the lines. The fact that I'm not playing the game doesn't imply that I've never played it before.

To help you figure it out I'll give you an example :

I don't play football because it's too violent

The fact that I don't play football because it happens to be too violent for my taste doesn't mean I've never played football before.

:)

A similar argument runs 'I don't need to wade through a sewer to know it's filthy.'

It's true, but you still exaggerated far too greatly (this one change does NOT make PoE as casual as D3 and I think you know it) not to be pulled up on it.

Technically this game actually makes it worth less to be hardcore.

After finally grinding it out and everything coming together and all of my drops coming true and getting loot drops.

I can now sell my T1 item to next to nothing compared to the effort took to get there, my e-peen means nothing since everything is too cheap for a hardcore player but just pricey for a casual.

Why even bother going all the way to the end if hardcore isn't even "hardcore" anymore. Any last bastion and reason why a player continue to keep grinding and playing after beating merc act 4 or past 78 maps dries up when all the reward for going that far is like 1/100th of a mirror item (shavs 30 exalts before, now like less then 10).

If we where to make top end game items accessible to nearly anyone with some farm might as well balance the game around level 100 for seasons and remove mapping resources while your at it.

I'm surprised there are no post about the increasingly "lack" of hardcore end games to do theses days, azitri is a joke now to farm, maps eventually wouldn't be a map system, and now items will be brought down to such accessible levels that there's really no point in continue farming them for more profits. It's not like you can use the much lower funds to buy any other item anyway.