Is it finally over??

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ghamadvar wrote:

There will also never be a Barry Sanders again.

Someone better and more elusive than Barry Sanders will come around. It's just the nature of sports. Always has been and always will be. And I'm not disrespecting Barry, IMO he's the second greatest Runner of all time, behind only Sweetness. But remember, even with all his accolades and greatness, he still had his faults. Most lost yards on runs in NFL history.

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ghamadvar wrote:

And yes, that soccer-analogy was ... weird, to say the least. I want to apologize to the community for that. But still: D3 and POE do have different tasks to fulfill. That's my point. And i stand by it. Unless somebody convinces me, that this stance is bullshit ;))
Until then: D3 is great. POE is great. Hurray!

You mean other than the fact it was sold as a box of lies, turned into the antithetical design of its iconic predecessor, or that the entire life cycle of the game has involved fixing the bad design and attempting to bake back in the depth they ripped out?

Let's be honest. D3 is on a short list of best selling video games and it is owned by the same parent company that puts out a new CoD every year and has gotten in trouble with all of its Destiny DLCs. Yet, D3 gets relatively infrequent updates, rarely any new content, and barely had a presence at Blizzcon. If it was really fulfilling an appealing niche in the market the game would get a lot more attention and resources. The game would have had several DLCs and another Xpac already announced. The reality is it lost most of its players in the first year because it is more frustration than addiction and has only been made more short-circuited that it is now a 100 hour RPG with no re-roll value.

Take away the Blizzard and Diablo labels and the game would have never been on the radar. It would have been some mid-level rated game on steam that less than a million people would have played.

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

PS THIS WAS A METAPHOR TO ILLUSTRATE THAT THE WORD 'HATE' AND THE CONCEPT IS NOT NECESSARILY A DECLARATION OF WAR.

Damn you! And here i thought you actually took a buss-ride with a bag of Parmesan next to you and the conversation went totally side-ways.

Peace,

-Boem-

Long awaited return of the franchise with better graphics, special effects, and smoother combat.

Need I say more?

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Mikekowa wrote:

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ghamadvar wrote:

There will also never be a Barry Sanders again.

Someone better and more elusive than Barry Sanders will come around. It's just the nature of sports. Always has been and always will be. And I'm not disrespecting Barry, IMO he's the second greatest Runner of all time, behind only Sweetness. But remember, even with all his accolades and greatness, he still had his faults. Most lost yards on runs in NFL history.

I just said that there will never be a Barry Sanders again. And i doubt that in this pass-happy times there will be another one coming soon. What i really wanted to say: Everyone and everything has his/her or it's time. Besides the fact that i think that Barry was and is the greatest Running back of all times. ;)

@Charan: The "hate" you communicate here comes along with a grain of humor. The "hate" people spread when they talk about certain things like games, game-philosophies or companies is the real thing. Real hate. Offending others, blaming others, unrationally. And yeah, that is the point when i am out. Nothing against a happy-slapping forum-battle. But if a preference is taken to offend somebody, something goes wrong. Short: If you hate gorgonzola: fine. But if you start saying that everyone who loves gorgo is an idiot, we are in trouble.

@Hackusations: The Phantom Menace: 1999. The Force Awakens: 2015. You still can hit on that piece of trash (with some real cool combat nevertheless). Or you can move on and celebrate that next big thing that will be better than Star Wars I. It must be better, because worse than Phantom Menace means Uwe Boll. All your arguments base on the start and vanilla-version of D3. I agree. It was a shitty thing (in most parts). But now is 2015. ROS brought some good changes and the good changes continue.

And btw.:

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Take away the Blizzard and Diablo labels and the game would have never been on the radar. It would have been some mid-level rated game on steam that less than a million people would have played.

Without D3 being so ... meh, POE would have had a much harder start, i would say. The void left by D3 failing definitely helped POE a lot.

Besides: This argument never got me. What does it say? And what does this mean regarding the big selling numbers of ROS?

It means that D3 and RoS sold tons on the back of the diablo francise. Without the name "diablo" it would have been a trash game that sold 1/1000th of what it did now.

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Zhatan wrote:

It means that D3 and RoS sold tons on the back of the diablo francise. Without the name "diablo" it would have been a trash game that sold 1/1000th of what it did now.

To be fair, without the Diablo title, expectations wouldn't have been nearly so high, and without the stigma of having been a disappointing Diablo series installment, D3 (whatever they called it) would probably have been a well-received game on its own merits, among those who found it to be their cup of tea. =^[.]^=

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Raycheetah wrote:

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Zhatan wrote:

It means that D3 and RoS sold tons on the back of the diablo francise. Without the name "diablo" it would have been a trash game that sold 1/1000th of what it did now.

To be fair, without the Diablo title, expectations wouldn't have been nearly so high, and without the stigma of having been a disappointing Diablo series installment, D3 (whatever they called it) would probably have been a well-received game on its own merits, among those who found it to be their cup of tea. =^[.]^=

You are totally right. The few ppl that would buy it would have looked it up and wanted a game like it. They would be less then 1/1000th of the numbers that actually did now though. Guess it would depend on the production cost but I think that would be classed as a massive failure by the company creating it though.

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Zhatan wrote:

It means that D3 and RoS sold tons on the back of the diablo francise. Without the name "diablo" it would have been a trash game that sold 1/1000th of what it did now.

As did POE by the way. Any ARPG sells on the back of diablo ("the true successor to d2", "The game D3 is not", "blablabla"). I wonder: If D3 was such bullshit, why did ROS sell so well then? Besides the fact that ROS is a pretty good game. And with 2.3. coming up, it will be superb.

To the rest: What Ray writes. Reputation can be blessing and curse at once. Why should Blizzard be punished for being the extraordinary company they are? They did D2 LoD and it defined a genre. They did D3 and it was ... mediocre. They did D3 RoS and they are totally back on track. That's what happens to a company with multiple titles on the market: sometimes they fuck up. But when they do, it is about how they stabilize themselves. And how they manage to get out of that mess. In the case of D3: pretty good.

As i said before: GGG did not already have the chance to fuck POE2 up. And when ever they fuck something up (and they did fuck some things up in the past), their reputation comes along as their white knight: "They are so small. It is their first game" and so on ;)

And thaaaaat's why comparisons make no sense for me. Small company vs. big company. Part 3 of a game series vs. part one of a game. A BIG (not GOOD or BAD) reputation vs. a very small reputation (in terms of awards, age of the company and so on, of course does GGG have a reputation that is pretty good). Millions of fans you can disappoint or satisfy (and by the nature of man: more often the first) vs. tenthousands of fans you can disappoint or satisfy. A very casual game vs. a very specialised game. And so on and so on.