Do you guys think Infernal Blow needs its damage to be nerfed by 150%? GGG does.

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CanHasPants wrote:

For beta/2.0's 10% to be stronger than 1.3's 25%, beta/2.0 has to supply 150% more damage, somehow.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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CanHasPants wrote:

Edit: @Scrotie: Yes, DPS from explosions is (or can be) increased; however, as monster EHP increased, so too does the efficacy of DPS decrease.

Umm assuming that if GGG is, say, tripling enemy life, they intend everyone to take three times as long killing enemies. Why would IB get off the hook?

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lolozori wrote:

I hate this idea from the devs that in order to raise the difficulty, you need to raise monsters HP.

AOE made the game easy not the monsters lack of HP,

IB will be total crap in high level 6p party. IT was already quite hard to kill mobs with their fire resists in 1.3. Now they have more life? Unless IB phy dam is raised then the gem will be really useless when doing multiplayer.

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Natharias wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Sixty percent.

Six zero.

Facepalm. (edit: except TBC)

Of course OP leaves out the fact that monsters have more life so the explosion actually will do more damage then live.

10% of 100% is still 10%. 25% of 100% is still 25%.

If monsters had 500 life when it did 25%, the damage was 125.

If the change was to 1,000 life and 10%, the damage is now 100.

So no, the explosion does not deal more damage. It deals less percentage damage of a higher number, but all monsters have a higher number so the damage is less overall.

You take percentage numbers as percentages. If the percentage is lowered, it is lowered.

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TreeOfDead wrote:

Everyone see it as NERF, thats fine if some "fan" said otherwise.

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H4xolotl wrote:

Explosion does 10% on CB compared to 25% on live.

wtf lol

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

IB change (25->10%) is a DIRECT nerf, no mattter how does the mobs health change BECAUSE - and this is the part that you do not understand - if mob's health grows, so does the damage required to kill it. so it can be removed from the equation.

Mostly this. If you double the health of enemies, and you only use Infernal Blow, there are half as many explosions per unit time (not damage per explosion, I mean quantity of explosions), because it takes twice the damage to generate a kill.

HOWEVER
that "if you only use Infernal Blow" phrase is important. If you mainly use another skill and save IB for finishing blows, it is possible all of your IB hits could be strictly buffed in terms of DPS. Note, however, that if explosion damage is mediocre, players won't go through the trouble.

Thus the change of massively boosting monster life, in and of itself, has the effect of nerfing nonlethal IB hits, while buffing lethal IB hits, in such a way that pure IB spam is neither buffed or nerfed overall.

Here's what I would change for the skill if I was GGG:
Fire, Attack, AoE, Melee, Duration
Base duration is 1 second
Explosion deals base Fire Damage equal to x% of the corpse's maximum Life
...where x is roughly sqrt(625/k), and k is the approximate enemy life mmultiplier. This formula is based on geometric mean. For example, if enemy life was doubled, 18% would be about right (20% might be okay); if enemy life is tripled, 15% would be good. 12.5% for quadrupled.

This would hopefully prevent IB from being OP as a finishing move, but hopefully not to such an extent it discourages its use in combos, and the increased duration and Duration tag would help it play well with other skills.

Unless GGG plans on buffing monster life to over six times current values, I feel 10% explosions represent an overnerf (as usual).

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goetzjam wrote:

Of course OP leaves out the fact that monsters have more life so the explosion actually will do more damage then live.