should minions benifit from conduit?

zombie are already around 12k hp with proper support gem/tree ( more than 18k with Montgruls thing ), not sure they need extra tankyness.

you arent talking about unbuffed haste are you , because everything is better than unbuffed haste , taking 3 passive points into any attack speed bubble or any cast speed bubble is pretty much equal to an unbuffed haste.


buffed hastes can get to around 30% if generosity is involved. it is less than the charges sure , half ? no , well unless the frenzy charges grant 60% then yeah it would be double.


enduring cry also aggros mobs to the summoner and while it does plenty of mitigation for physical damage ( which i remind you zombies have no defense for) it does nothing special vs elemental since there are many end game ways to cap resists and still lose minions.


the complete lack of physical mitigation available to minions right now means that vs mechanics that deal dots as physical or attacks that deal damage as physical , that large hp pool that the zombies get is effectively nothing .

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zombie are already around 12k hp with proper support gem/tree ( more than 18k with Montgruls thing ), not sure they need extra tankyness.

well if we are factoring proper support from gems and trees we would have what a corrupted +1 6l zombie with a level 4 empower to get level 26 zombies would get you about 9k hp zombies , the 12k is if a minion life gem is used .

if one specs zombies for defense , they will not die in most circumstances anyway, plus you can technically use endurance charge on stun to get charges on them. so conduit edc would not be the only way to make tanky zombies if that is your thing...

then again .. why would you do such a thing?


another thing to consider is not that minion need conduit , but perhaps conduit needs minions. The key stone is effectively worthless unless some one is doing a novelty build

not disagreeing with your assessment , just pointing out the aura can get to 30%.


also keep in mind you CAN right now get all three charges on minions , and infact i already made a build that does this


tri curse all three marks with splash montre zombies... they looked like Christmas trees.

once you get curse effectiveness to 40%+ your minions have around 50% - 60% chance of gaining a charge per thing they kill.


those curses are technically 1 slot each too.

i would be fine if they cut the benefits of charges on minions in half if it allowed the use of conduit .

as for your other points,


i would agree poachers mark is pretty damn weak , but i think that is more related to ggg needing to figure out what exactly to do with that damn curse as it really brings nothing to the table.

assassins mark however when you do a curse spec is kind of insane even on minions , i was shocked by how often things were frozen solid by said minions.

it is something that as a spin up time so yeah bosses that are separated from trash mobs can be a problem for gaining charges ,

but on maps where the boss is in the same area , 10 seconds is plenty of time.
this is actually where montre shines , since you have fewer zombies you need to kill fewer mobs to gain charges.

5 montre zombies can reliably get to full charges in as little as 3 packs if they have decent aoe.

perhaps conduit should be changed to , "share charges with minions and allies , 50% reduced charge effectiveness on minions".

that way builds that use say 1 charge type but have a reliable way of generating it are fine.

a trade off of potency for convenience which could be very useful indeed for the early game issues i was talking about earlier.


regardless I am firm in my belief that the salvation of conduit as a key stone lies in its use with minions rather than the dubious use it has in team play, especially since team play is not all that popular.

I've tried to do it once before I knew it didnt affect minions, and considering the traveling you have to do to get it + charges I think it should be possible.

Maybe give a small penalty if they think it still benefits them too much.

well the hard numbers from reddit (thank you) are this

i was correct with endurance , it is 15% each, even if we cut that in half 7.5 x3 is 22.5% which is very helpful for capping resist in early game without providing too much of a physical buffer in end game


frenzy charges give 3% ms and 20% attack/cast speed , so they would definitly be due for a 50% cut down to 10%/ 10% at least, maybe leave the ms alone


and i was shocked at this but power charges apparently give 200% per charge, DAMN, that can also easily survive a 50% cut down to 100% per charge meaning 20% crit chance + 10% with a decent assassins mark ( 34% with curse buffs) that is well into viable without being silly.

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and i was shocked at this but power charges apparently give 200% per charge, DAMN, that can also easily survive a 50% cut down to 100% per charge meaning 20% crit chance + 10% with a decent assassins mark ( 34% with curse buffs) that is well into viable without being silly.

It wasn't too surprising. Power charge gives 50% for players. The charges are usually at least 3 times more effective for monsters, so I was guessing at around 150% or more.