Missing Challenges: Divine Shrine and Vagan w bow

I had a vagan with bow but it was a dummy one but didn't count.

I've had both these missing for weeks and just wondered if there was a particular tactic to finding them? Or does some global channel offer people looking for these but at a price? I probably can't afford it so just wondered. And some people say Divine is rare but I've found at least 5 echos which are also supposed to be rare. Do divines only spawn in some maps?

I won't even go into my 4 missing ghosts after many, many maps...it makes me sad, I just want to help them, really.

I don't think there's any pattern to Vagan's setups, seems totally random and you're just unlucky.

Divine shrines are rare indeed, there's no helping it either.

Torment, eh? Tell you what, if I run into either of those I'll check if you're online, probably won't help much with my amount of playing lately but your chances just got a bit better.
Wish the armchair developers would go back to developing armchairs.

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