The most logical argument against legacies

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BossOfThisGym wrote:

There is absolutely no reason to ever play standard unless you are a RMT and want to feel like a god with full mirrored gear and legacy for a few minutes until you realize no one cares what you do in standard league.

You come off as extremely narrow minded with this post. Just because you can level to a decent spot in the temporarily leagues playing an hour a day doesn't mean anyone enjoys doing that. They finally get a character to where they like it and then the league is over and everything they did is moved to standard. Do you honestly think that everyone is fine playing like that? Abandoning everything they worked on to start from scratch over and over again?

p.s. there is a ton of cheating and RMT in the temporary leagues. Lets not pretend they are clean while standard is the only place that has that stuff.

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FaceKick wrote:

Tl;dr: OP has a flawed premise, flawed arguments, flawed conclusion, and is using boolean logic for non boolean problems.

The OP was talking about over powered legacies and your responses brought up non over powered legacies.

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Soepkieken wrote:

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Legacies exist because removing them would disrupt the game for too long. It's that simple. They would remove them if they could, but they can't, so they don't. Play in the challenge leagues if this bothers you.

PoE has always shown that they are not a slave to commercialism, neither do they just want to please the majority of their fanbase. They believe in a complex and awesome game and don't let money or practical issues interfere with their elevated idealism of working on the (near-)perfect game in its genre (content- and game mechanics-wise).

They would sure show they have balls if they put the game down to fix this issue. It would be the most noble act ever done in game history, because they know they will be hated for this by a good amount of people, but they shouldn't care about those. They should only care about the quality of their game, and the amount of legacies and double legacies is becoming rampant.

GGG makes items into legacies, with which they admit a certain mistake. Keeping that mistake in the game doesn't sound like what they stand for: an independent, creative and idealistic company, only concerned with the quality of their game.

See the thing is there is no issue. Standard and HC leagues are graveyards. Playgrounds for characters. In the beta there used to be literally a graveyard league for old characters, and long term leagues are a fix to the problem you see.

People who are annoyed by legacy items are offered both long leagues without them, and races without them. So they can experience all the game has to offer for as long as they want, and even when they drop into one of the "legacy" leagues, its not an issue anymore, because SC and HC are not on a ladder, there is nothing to compete for in those leagues, so someone with an unfair advantage there is of no harm. Someone has a legacy shavs on SC? Well show me how that is going to help him get race points or do anytihng competitive in the game.

Your logic is correct concerning temporary leagues. But the balance of the game is made around these leagues, not the permanent ones. Since your logic is based on "having imbalance in the game is bad", that logic doesn't even apply to the leagues in which legacies are piling up over patches, because balance is not the major concern of those leagues. GGG balance their game around challenge leagues, they have said that several times. They always encourage people to play in temporary leagues. Permanent leagues will always have legacies because they are what they are, legacy leagues, in which people accumulate things over the years as you can keep trophies IRL. If people want to play only in these leagues knowing that, that's their own choice.

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BossOfThisGym wrote:

I can't believe some of these posts.

It's called dumpster league because when the real leagues finish (you know the ones without heavy RMT, bots, legacies, etc...) end, everyone dumps their trash into them.

There is absolutely no reason to ever play standard unless you are a RMT and want to feel like a god with full mirrored gear and legacy for a few minutes until you realize no one cares what you do in standard league.

The whole excuse of "I'm a 40 year old working man with 5 kids and I can only play 5 minutes a day!" is BS. Why are you playing an online only competitive/ladder/race based ARPG if you can't even spend an hour a day to play it? It's like playing golf but never getting off the driving range and saying that you are playing the game.


Even at a casual 2 hours a day, you can have a character in mid level maps in 2 weeks on BL/Torment.

I cant beleive your incapability of understanding of others preferences and choices.
Persistency is the only reason for me to play this type of game and standart provides this.
-Take a 6 month break and return to see all the chars and the items are in place...
-"Dont like to play in Temporary leauges" is, guess what? Because they are .... temporary.
-Feeling of accumulation of items and trying to min max your chars in a long term investment...
etc... there is a lot more reasons for to play in standart, leaving them to your imagination.

"no one cares what you do in standard league."
Probably 99% (pulled from ...) of standart exclusive players gives zero flying turds about temp players acomplishments.
Claiming competitiveness in a "RNG" based game is requires to be in a special mental condition i guess.

And pls stop drawing numbers from air about standarts population. I think its in healty condition and again standart exclusive players (like me) probably dont care (gameplay wise) about the claims of temp players.
Not going to say something about RMT etc, everybody pulls some astimation from their back nowadays about what i actually never come to contact and have no real statistical evidence to give. "Why bother to play a game if you'r not gonna play with the presented rules, to try to solve and beat the game and have fun in process" is my mentality.

tl,dr: dont try to dictate your particular play style to others, there is options provided by GGG that i can and i do chose to play in standart.

For the OP;
Say if i farm for months upon months to accumulate currency to buy a legacy item and suddenly GGG nerfs them ... Should there be any better way to explain the royal pain of gigantic ass bite it causes? Your whole work for reaching a point in game becomes rendered void.

If you want to compete against "uber in game rich" standart players, you need to work as hard of them imo. And im no way in game rich or something but i can work my way for attainable goals even if it takes a lots of time.

The game is and always has been based around the temp leagues, Im not going to call the permanent leagues "dumpster leagues" but I feel that they are:

"Shadows of the past Leagues"

I really think thats what they should be called its where old Items, and Characters go. Legacys are part of PoEs past, some players like playing in "Shadows of the past" because it can be fun to play with the old OP items

Standard is less a living league than a repository of PoE's history and legacies are part of that history.

If you cant deal with legacies then play the temp leagues, if you can't play the temp leagues this might not be the game for you. GGG has clearly stated that legacies are not going anywhere.

This game was designed from the ground up by hardcore Arpg gamers for Hardcore Arpg gamers (im using hardcore in the play a lot and play seriously not the one death sense)

If you have a demanding job, 5 kids, a wife to keep happy, and you cant play at least an hour a day this is probably not the game for you.

That all I got to say about that.

PS: "Shadows of the past League" its a thing! make it catch on lol

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Tiandal wrote:

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BossOfThisGym wrote:

I can't believe some of these posts.

It's called dumpster league because when the real leagues finish (you know the ones without heavy RMT, bots, legacies, etc...) end, everyone dumps their trash into them.

There is absolutely no reason to ever play standard unless you are a RMT and want to feel like a god with full mirrored gear and legacy for a few minutes until you realize no one cares what you do in standard league.

The whole excuse of "I'm a 40 year old working man with 5 kids and I can only play 5 minutes a day!" is BS. Why are you playing an online only competitive/ladder/race based ARPG if you can't even spend an hour a day to play it? It's like playing golf but never getting off the driving range and saying that you are playing the game.


Even at a casual 2 hours a day, you can have a character in mid level maps in 2 weeks on BL/Torment.

I cant beleive your incapability of understanding of others preferences and choices.
Persistency is the only reason for me to play this type of game and standart provides this.
-Take a 6 month break and return to see all the chars and the items are in place...
-"Dont like to play in Temporary leauges" is, guess what? Because they are .... temporary.
-Feeling of accumulation of items and trying to min max your chars in a long term investment...
etc... there is a lot more reasons for to play in standart, leaving them to your imagination.

"no one cares what you do in standard league."
Probably 99% (pulled from ...) of standart exclusive players gives zero flying turds about temp players acomplishments.
Claiming competitiveness in a "RNG" based game is requires to be in a special mental condition i guess.

And pls stop drawing numbers from air about standarts population. I think its in healty condition and again standart exclusive players (like me) probably dont care (gameplay wise) about the claims of temp players.
Not going to say something about RMT etc, everybody pulls some astimation from their back nowadays about what i actually never come to contact and have no real statistical evidence to give. "Why bother to play a game if you'r not gonna play with the presented rules, to try to solve and beat the game and have fun in process" is my mentality.

tl,dr: dont try to dictate your particular play style to others, there is options provided by GGG that i can and i do chose to play in standart.

For the OP;
Say if i farm for months upon months to accumulate currency to buy a legacy item and suddenly GGG nerfs them ... Should there be any better way to explain the royal pain of gigantic ass bite it causes? Your whole work for reaching a point in game becomes rendered void.

If you want to compete against "uber in game rich" standart players, you need to work as hard of them imo. And im no way in game rich or something but i can work my way for attainable goals even if it takes a lots of time.

Nail on the head. Me, for one, don't give a flying fuck about temp leagues. Played anarchy though as it was first one and was interesting to try. And tried Torment. Never gonna start temp league again. Would probably stop playing game altogether if they are to remove all perm leagues.

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BossOfThisGym wrote:

I can't believe some of these posts.

It's called dumpster league because when the real leagues finish (you know the ones without heavy RMT, bots, legacies, etc...) end, everyone dumps their trash into them.

There is absolutely no reason to ever play standard unless you are a RMT and want to feel like a god with full mirrored gear and legacy for a few minutes until you realize no one cares what you do in standard league.

The whole excuse of "I'm a 40 year old working man with 5 kids and I can only play 5 minutes a day!" is BS. Why are you playing an online only competitive/ladder/race based ARPG if you can't even spend an hour a day to play it? It's like playing golf but never getting off the driving range and saying that you are playing the game.


Even at a casual 2 hours a day, you can have a character in mid level maps in 2 weeks on BL/Torment.

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Not again this topic.

I play standart only, I dont own much legacies (in fact 1 or 2 i found ages ago and that sit on non used twinks or in the stash) still I hate these jelly guys who are:
- too lazy to farm for buying legacies
- don't grant others something better then they have despite these others working for it
- feel their opinion is better than all the already voiced opinions in dunno how many discussions
- can't handle the fact, that his game is about templ leagues and standart is mostly for poeple who are too "weak" to play temp leagues and don't want to restart regularly, this means dumpster as leagues merge.


Finally IF you play standart:
- be happy legacies exist since they might come in handy for you trying to play some non major meta build
- you will not be "First", "Strongest" or whatever anyways, standart league exists for too long now and economy and achievements are settled
- Legacy will not affect you negatively at all (despite jealousy) since you don't race or play ladder in standart, if you now come up with the PVP argument: ridiculous, that legacy wont help you against poeple who can afford 100% GG mirrored gear for their PVP chars anyways


Since changing the legacies causes work and they don't affect the real game competition wise, in the end there is no single argument to change them.
Only will cause:
- legacy owners being upset that their account got messed with (quitting wave here i come, yuo don't own any legacy? you maybe new and did not buy microtransactions over years compared to long time customers)
- server downtime to puzzle out all the items (yeah, downtime is what we all like)
- money burned through downtime, time to puzzle out etc, can't go into more important things like new content etc

So I guess OPs logic is quite a bit flawed by just spinning around his jealousy on others.


TLDR:
OP ist just jelly, legacy does in fact not affect his gameplay despite him being jealous and needing to find excuses for other poeple being stronger than him (other than they invest more time to aquire wealth for items or than they play better in general), so his text lacks arguments (despite using so mich bold formatting)