[Theorycrafting] Bloodseeker and the Search For Immortality

You are playing in standard too, i'd imagine Shavrones revelation would be extremely sick with this build if you go CI, since you don't need any mana.

Leech cap applies to the leech rate. Normally the maximum leech rate is 20% max life/ES per second. Since all of the leech is instantaneous, this is not relevant.

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yotmato wrote:

I think the logic behind going CI its simply the leech cap. Remember that leech is capped at 20% of your maximum Life, or ES if you're using Ghost Reaver.

So, for Bloodseeker, CI is the natural choice afaik, since you will have a way higher ES pool, translating in a way higher leech cap.

I believe this is the logic behind it, because bloodseeker doesnt have vaal pacts drawback (40% leech effectiveness). Another advantage of going CI is that you can take full advantage of Melee Damage on Full Life gem.

As for the attack/skill choice, i believe your only option here is Dual Strike i'm afraid.

From the wiki:

"Dual Wielding: Most other melee skills will alternate weapons or only use the main hand while making dual wielding attacks. Dual Strike and Cleave are the only current exceptions. If the player's weapons have different critical strike chance or accuracy values, it is possible to critical or miss with one weapon, but not the other."

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Dual_Strike

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Reave . Reave alternates, meaning that when you hit with soul taker your leech won't be instant.

I understand the logic behind taking CI, but I prefer life because of management with flasks and regeneration, as well as being more resilient to elemental status.

Reave doesn't work with axes, Soul Taker never hits. I'm testing dual strike and it seems to perform better, but I'm unhappy with the feel and playstyle, although it is fun, it isn't as fun as reave.

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f4sak3n wrote:

Leech cap applies to the leech rate. Normally the maximum leech rate is 20% max life/ES per second. Since all of the leech is instantaneous, this is not relevant.

Derp, true, i stand corrected.

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7thFullMoon wrote:

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yotmato wrote:

I think the logic behind going CI its simply the leech cap. Remember that leech is capped at 20% of your maximum Life, or ES if you're using Ghost Reaver.

So, for Bloodseeker, CI is the natural choice afaik, since you will have a way higher ES pool, translating in a way higher leech cap.

I believe this is the logic behind it, because bloodseeker doesnt have vaal pacts drawback (40% leech effectiveness). Another advantage of going CI is that you can take full advantage of Melee Damage on Full Life gem.

As for the attack/skill choice, i believe your only option here is Dual Strike i'm afraid.

From the wiki:

"Dual Wielding: Most other melee skills will alternate weapons or only use the main hand while making dual wielding attacks. Dual Strike and Cleave are the only current exceptions. If the player's weapons have different critical strike chance or accuracy values, it is possible to critical or miss with one weapon, but not the other."

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Dual_Strike

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Reave . Reave alternates, meaning that when you hit with soul taker your leech won't be instant.

I understand the logic behind taking CI, but I prefer life because of management with flasks and regeneration, as well as being more resilient to elemental status.

Reave doesn't work with axes, Soul Taker never hits. I'm testing dual strike and it seems to perform better, but I'm unhappy with the feel and playstyle, although it is fun, it isn't as fun as reave.

Flasks seem like a moot point when going for a bloodseeker build. As for regen, you cna go shavs revelation and have a insane amount of Es regen on top of the leech.

Soultaker:
No mana cost, drawback: bad DpS
Bloodseeker:
Instant leech, drawback: bad DpS

Pairing both of them leads to... bad DpS.

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I'd suggest to use a rare claw with 300+ DpS and high crit as second weapon instead of Soultaker, and to grab the "mind drinker" passive or just a 2% mana leech affix on a ring.
Endless spamming of main attack accomplished.

"I don't like mana"
Why?
Especially when moving in the claw zone of the tree, mana should not be any issue.

I've decided to throw crit out of the window and just stick to an exalton style build with life.

The WoE+BoR tree seemed ideal for this and I managed 200% increased life with this 1.3 tree.



I understand that I should be running PoL with coil but it's simply not feasible and 20K armor from grace+det will likely do the trick.

I've reviewed what you've tried here.

You're going to have some issues with DPS, as well as leech. You only have 201% increased damage from the tree, and your total leech (you get none from the tree and I don't see bloodrage anywhere) is going to be just 9%.

Also, with that tree and your current gear, you are 1 INT short of the requirement for bloodseeker (74 in tree + 20 from ammy = 94; bloodseeker requires 95).

I have a CI character that uses bloodseeker and is currently level 91. No issues clearing 78's. He has 101K dps currently, though this and his ES total will go up in 1.3.

One of the big reasons to go CI is to not have to build around sustaining bloodrage, as chaos immunity makes it cost basically nothing.

In my guide for my build, I detail how to go about making a life oriented version (in the second post). You might want to consider reading mine or ninedeadeyes' guides in the shadow forum for more claw and bloodseeker insight. It's too much for me to lay out all in a single post.

Mine: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1065475
ninedeadeyes: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/852727

Cheers

-Savage

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zSavage wrote:

I've reviewed what you've tried here.

You're going to have some issues with DPS, as well as leech. You only have 201% increased damage from the tree, and your total leech (you get none from the tree and I don't see bloodrage anywhere) is going to be just 9%.

Also, with that tree and your current gear, you are 1 INT short of the requirement for bloodseeker (74 in tree + 20 from ammy = 94; bloodseeker requires 95).

I have a CI character that uses bloodseeker and is currently level 91. No issues clearing 78's. He has 101K dps currently, though this and his ES total will go up in 1.3.

One of the big reasons to go CI is to not have to build around sustaining bloodrage, as chaos immunity makes it cost basically nothing.

In my guide for my build, I detail how to go about making a life oriented version (in the second post). You might want to consider reading mine or ninedeadeyes' guides in the shadow forum for more claw and bloodseeker insight. It's too much for me to lay out all in a single post.

Mine: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1065475
ninedeadeyes: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/852727

Cheers

-Savage

I had actually skimmed over your guide before I attempted at this. I am using blood rage, it's just not socketed in the items I linked. I get 11% leech without it, which seems to be enough, although I have now decided to go RT (like exalton). I can't afford to use abyssus because of the resistances on my current helm and my inability to run PoL with Grace, Hatred and Determination.

I'm getting considerably higher DPS from just switching to non-crit links in my armor (I don't have RT specced, I'm waiting for 1.3), although it's nowhere close to your figures, it should be enough to clear 78 maps and farm Atziri.

As far as sustaining blood rage, I get all the chaos resitance + life nodes and I have 5% regen from the tree which should work together to negate a fair amount of the degeneration.

I'm looking at getting ~6K HP which should be a sizeable enough damage buffer (comparable to your ES in your thread but rather more resilient to elemental status).

My current 5L setup in coil is DS MStrike MeleePhys FAttacks and MSplash, have you found out about better supports for non-crit?

Edit: Actually, here's my gear just for clearing things up

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7thFullMoon wrote:

My current 5L setup in coil is DS MStrike MeleePhys FAttacks and MSplash, have you found out about better supports for non-crit?

That's pretty much the best it's going to get on a 5L.

For a 6L you'll want another red socket, either using Added Fire or Life Leech.

As for farming atziri, it would be good to have 30K+ DPS from what I've seen. You can swap out splash for Added fire for this.

20K+ should be ok for blue packs in 78's.