Difference between "% Less mana reserved" and "% reduced mana reserved?"
Was doing some theory crafting and realized there are two different types of mana reduction but I couldn't figure out the difference. What is the difference between "% less mana reserved" and "% reduced mana reserved"?
Lets say I have 20% reduced and 60% less from the skill tree. Does that reduce everything by 80%? Does it reduce it by 60% first and then the remaining amount gets hit with the 20%? Does it work in another way? |
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The second way you suggested is how it works. In PoE-speak, 'more' and 'less' signify modifiers that are multiplicative with other modifiers of the same stat, while 'increased' and 'reduced' signify additive modifiers.
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Well, kinda sorta how it works; Reservations are funky.
The game multiplies Less and Reduced Mana Reserved to get a single multiplier, and calculates your final Reduction using that result. (100 -Red) * (100 -Less) / 100 - 100 = Total %Reduction 30% Reduced and 60% Less works out as follows: (100 - 30) * (100 - 60) / 100 - 100 = 70*40/100-100 = -72% Lazy mathematician version: 0.7*0.4 = 28% remaining, ergo 72% reduction. While we're on the topic: Supports pop up in an entirely separate calculation prior to Reduced/Less. The result is rounded down. This also means a level 21 Reduced Mana doesn't do much for 40/60% Reserves on its own: 60 * 0.71 = 42.6, rounds to 42% Base Reserved 60 * 0.70 = 42% Base Reserved - same result as lv20 The reduction calculated above is applied to this value as follows: 42 * 0.72 = 30.24, rounds to 30 42 - 30 = 12% final Reserve | |
In addition to Vipermagi's calculations: Remember to count all of your reservations first. This is a nice example:
Auras you want to use: Grace, Purity, Vitality, Hatred Total reservation of these auras: 60+40+40+60 = 200% With lvl 21 reduced mana, this would be: 2 * 0,7 = 1,4 (140%) In addition you have 34 reduced mana reservation from talents: Reservation with gem * (100% - 0,34) ---> 1,4*0,66 = 0,924 (92,4%, now you can finally use them) If you have Mortal Conviction (-60 less mana reserved) the result would be: Previous reservation * (1-0,6) ---> 0,94*0,4 = 0,3696 (36,9% --> 36% reservation from life) But, if you had lvl 20 reduced mana, your reservation would be 37,488% ---> 37%. In this case, it's somewhat significant. | |
If you add up your Reserves like that I will kill you, some day. That does not work.
Using your numbers (lv21 RM, 34% Reduced): 60 * 0.70 = 42% 42 * 0.34 = 14.28 42 - 14 = 28% per 60% Aura 40 * 0.70 = 28 28 * 0.34 = 9.52 28 - 9 = 19% per 40% Aura 28+28+19+19 = 94% Reserved. With MC: 0.66*0.4 = 0.264 -> 74% reduction* 42 * 0.74 = 31.08 42 - 31 = 11% per 60% Aura 28 * 0.74 = 20.72 28 - 20 = 8% per 40% Aura 11+11+8+8 = 38% Reserved (Sefriol got 36% here - proper procedure means proper results) If you used a level 20 RM instead: 60 * 0.71 = 42.6, rounds to 42% 42 * 0.34 = 14.28 42 - 14 = 28% per 60% Aura As I had already stated, there is no difference between a level 20 and a level 21 RM. You'll still be reserving 38% of your Life pool, but won't have spent tons on lv21 RM Gems that don't have any effect. * = Total %Reduction is, for some reason, exempt from the normal rule of "always round down"; it instead rounds to nearest. Last edited by Vipermagi on Sep 27, 2014, 1:00:46 PM
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It seems that you are right. Every aura is calculated on it's own and decimals are not included. I remembered that there was a GGG post where they stated that this was not the case.
Even this old addon counts things as I did, but when I tested it on live, it wasn't the case. http://spoontacular.com/poe/auras.html With lvl 19 reduced mana, alpha's howl and 34 from talents I managed to keep 4x 60% auras on, even though addon states that this couldn't be possible. | |
http://fogz.mine.nu:8080/poe_reserved_calc/
or http://poe.mikelat.com/#auras=1&name%5B1%5D=Aura+Group+1&cla%5B1%5D=&bmg%5B1%5D=&rmg%5B1%5D=&mul%5B1%5D=100&rms=0&life=1000&mana=1000 IGN: Pumar, Pumam , PumarR , PumaPunch , PumaWander , PumaCleave, PumaSlams Last edited by ropumar on Sep 27, 2014, 6:09:05 PM
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