Two-Handed Weapons Viable?
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2H is viable, at 10k hp and insane damage,
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" DPS is never an issue when you use ST, Molten Strike, or Ground Slam for example. Skills that requires you to be in the face of the boss, and jumping into an army of mobs for single-target purposes do not fair well that often. On top of having mitigation issues and EHP issues, if you do not kill something fast enough, it will kill you. 300-400% is probably a bit too much, but 200% more melee damage should be the ceiling. Sometimes you can take the game out of the garage but you can't take the garage out of the game.
- raics, 06.08.2016 |
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DPS is not an issue with two handers, one handers are not "light years" ahead. If you're going to compare to two hand RT builds then use one hand RT builds as your basis.
Also all suggestions with this multiplier for simply being melee is silly, let alone 100% more melee damage. I say all this as someone currently using a pseudo two hand melee build(WoE). Sure it's not a pure two hand build but it's part of the equation. Currently doing 60k DPS and farming Atziri extremely easily. Last edited by kasub on Sep 11, 2014, 4:21:17 PM
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" Pretty much. At least staves are coming back in a big way thanks to master modding. It's a lot cheaper to roll a good staff since you can always just slap on crit%, aspd%, or flat phys to make it work. They have inherent block and scale with crit and their nodes are strong (well, not Adder's Touch strong, but pretty strong). The best Hegemony's Era in Rampage is 484dps at 8.6% crit. The best rares are 471dps/8.48crit and 447dps/9.01crit. (And in standard, best ever is Axn's Gale Song at an astonishing 752dps/9.21crit.) Going without a shield is still a huge cost, but those staves definitely compete for damage on a bog-standard "crit ST" build. --- There's something else here about crit (why staves/wands/daggers/claws can outdps everything else), but it feels like it's for a different thread. | |
" You want me to compare apple with another apple, and you present me a Pear. WoE is incredible when you combine all the aspect of DW into 2H builds. -_- Sometimes you can take the game out of the garage but you can't take the garage out of the game.
- raics, 06.08.2016 |
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Higher damage can be reached with rare two handers, it's just a lot less defensive and requires higher levels of gear(While WoE is pretty easy to build).
Your suggestion is that these very defensive builds should be doing 200k+ resolute damage. Last edited by kasub on Sep 11, 2014, 4:54:28 PM
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" Could you give us examples of this "higher damage can be reached with rare two handers"? Rolling essentially the best staff would still keep you short of the best dagger + random shield. Now imagine if that dagger ran dual wield instead. With nothing changed it would gain 1.32 times more dps right there. 2 handers can't compete with daggers even with crit. Sure, they can get somewhere along there, but not close enough to the damage and tankiness of daggers. The only thing 2handers have is the fact that you can roll a 6-link on them. But you can roll a 6-link on a bow too, yet you still get the stats from a quiver. Not to mention that you usually don't even need to get a 2nd 6-link because there is so much support shit in the game now that you want to run too. You want to run: auras, herald(s), cast when damage taken(s), curse(s), movement skill(s). All of these need slots and if you are using two 6-links for offensive skills you'll probably be missing out on some of the above. So in the end the two 6-links are a lot less useful than it might seem at first: bows can get them too while still gaining extra stats from the quiver. 2handers don't get that. There is no equivalent of +3 gems for melee 2-handers as spellcaster staff users have either. Nor can you use a shield and your block is worse than dual-wield. @Aelloon Last edited by Aelloon on Sep 11, 2014, 5:07:08 PM
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" The reason why damage multiplier was mentioned in the first place because skills like Molten Strike, Spectral Throw, Ground Slam, and other projectile/AoE quasi melee skills outshines the pure melee skills. Buffing 2H weapons would just buffs up everything related, buffing up pure melee skill gems would give 1H+shield and DW another edge, so we needed a keystone that would do away all the projectile/AoE + 1h+shield/DW nonsense, and actually have 2H single-target skills be close to those multi-target skills. On top of that, getting some physical dmg reduction as well. Of course, this might not happen. Do not be surprise that AoE/Projectile offense is another form of defense. Sometimes you can take the game out of the garage but you can't take the garage out of the game. - raics, 06.08.2016 Last edited by JohnNamikaze on Sep 11, 2014, 5:09:16 PM
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" post your passive tree plz |
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" I don't think you realize just how much damage 400% more is. That's 5 times the damage. That's basically getting every single crit multiplier bonus that exists in the game along with a guaranteed crit and after that you still get to roll for another crit on top. 100% is already stretching it and probably too much. 400% is insane. As for physical reduction, the 25% all resist would include 25% physical resistance and 25% chaos resistance. Though again, those percentages are probably too high. Just goes to show how much is needed to compete with block... My vision for a better PoE: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/863780
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